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Re: TPTB

Unread postby Cog » Tue 05 Jan 2016, 14:52:38

Montequest has the same familiar leftist agenda to re-write history as they see fit.
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Re: TPTB

Unread postby KaiserJeep » Tue 05 Jan 2016, 15:14:34

Cog, I don't think MQ is Leftist in any particular, according to average standards. He might be considered Leftist in rural Texas, where he resides.

As for Bush II, he needs a speechwriter, a teleprompter, and a circle of staffers talking into his earpiece just to answer questions from the press. It is about the only that is similar between Bush II and Obama - they are both above average in intelligence, but tongue-tied.

MQ, quite simply, Bush no longer has any clear memory of that day - it probably ranks below 700 to 900 other days of much greater importance in his memory concerning 9/11-related events, and almost all of what he does remember and still thinks about, pretty much everybody else in the USA will never know, less anything Snowden published.

You either trust the POTUS or you do not. I have not ever trusted any of them, but I do not doubt that in their own bumbling way, each POTUS of either party is trying to govern the country according to his own conscience.
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Re: TPTB

Unread postby MonteQuest » Tue 05 Jan 2016, 16:17:38

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Newfie', ' ') Who among us would do the kind of fact checking you are doing?


People looking for the truth amidst lies. And book authors doing research.
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Re: TPTB

Unread postby MonteQuest » Tue 05 Jan 2016, 16:30:11

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No it doesn't.

He says he saw "a plane" hit the tower.

So did I

So did millions of Americans.


Not of the first plane hitting the tower. "I had seen this plane fly into the first building."--Bush No video existed before he went into the classroom. And it couldn't have been the 2nd plane, because he was sitting in the class room when it happened. You didn't even bother to read the post, did you?
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Re: TPTB

Unread postby MonteQuest » Tue 05 Jan 2016, 16:33:47

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Cog', 'M')ontequest has the same familiar leftist agenda to re-write history as they see fit.


I can't rewrite the video that shows I am correct, nor the videos and transcripts of what Bush said and when.

How could he have possibly watched any plane crash before Andrew Card told him about the 2nd plane? He could not.
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Re: TPTB

Unread postby MonteQuest » Tue 05 Jan 2016, 16:41:14

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('KaiserJeep', 'C')og, I don't think MQ is Leftist in any particular, according to average standards. He might be considered Leftist in rural Texas, where he resides.

MQ, quite simply, Bush no longer has any clear memory of that day - it probably ranks below 700 to 900 other days of much greater importance in his memory concerning 9/11-related events, and almost all of what he does remember and still thinks about, pretty much everybody else in the USA will never know, less anything Snowden published.


He said those statements on Dec 4, 2001 and Jan 5, 2002. No longer had any clear memory of that day less than two months after 911 and the second, a little over a year later to the point he just made shit up?

BTW, I live in Missouri, not Texas. :)
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Re: TPTB

Unread postby Pops » Tue 05 Jan 2016, 16:48:37

Good Pete! :lol:

Pretty funny that the boys in OR are mad because their pals got
Mandatory Sentences under a
Anti-Terrorisim act

And here they thought those are only for blacks and A-rabs and not white boys.

Kinda makes me think about what the guy said about consenting to taking away people's rights:

First they came for the black crack heads, but I didn't give a rat's ass
Because I ain't no Kenyan

Then they came for the "terrorists" and I said Hell Yea!
Because I ain't no muslim...
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Re: TPTB

Unread postby Pops » Tue 05 Jan 2016, 16:59:23

Yeah, they set a fire to cover an illegal hunt and were tried under the anti-terroism laws with a mandatory 5 years. The judge said naw that is silly and gave them a year or 2 but the circuit said Oh yeah! 5 years baby! Some local folks held a little protest but then along came the silly boys looking for a camera to show their little ARs to and the invaded the bird refuge.
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Re: TPTB

Unread postby Tanada » Tue 05 Jan 2016, 17:10:33

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('pstarr', 'T')hat's good also Pops lol. Quite frankly I am at the stage where you either laugh, cry, or go ballistic. But seeing how I have been so well trained in the Pacifist Arts and can't really cry because thing are mostly so happy here in California, I just have to laugh. At Cog.

But is it true? Did the Oregon rancher get hit with 'Mandatory Sentences under a
Anti-Terrorisim act'?


They lit a back fire to stop a lightning strike fire from destroying the ranch land they leased from the BLM. There is an anti-terrorism law passed after Oklahoma City bombing that anyone committing Arson on Federal Property is classified as a terrorist. They PO'd someone at the BLM who accused them of being arsonists for starting the back fire on federal land and the case snowballed from there years ago. They were charged and after hearing the circumstances the judge who handled the case sentenced the son to 1 year in federal prison and the father to 3 months federal prison, which they served. Now someone decided to throw them back into the court system because under the terrorism provision there is a mandatory 5 year sentence and they served 1 year for the Son and 3 months for the Father.

You have to decide for yourself if it is justice to haul these two guys back to prison to serve out the rest of a 5 year mandatory sentence. To me it is a lot like the three strikes law that forces mandatory sentences on petty drug offenders that get caught too often while our prisons are over crowded. The whole mandatory sentence process kind of makes the judge into a referee, not the person using experience and common sense to try and balance the scales of justice.
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Re: TPTB

Unread postby Pops » Tue 05 Jan 2016, 17:33:34

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Tanada', 'T')hey lit a back fire to stop a lightning strike fire from destroying the ranch land they leased from the BLM.


$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'T')he jury convicted Steven Hammond of two counts and Dwight Hammond of
one count of maliciously damaging real property of the United States by use of fire,
in violation of 18 U.SC. § 844(f)(1), based on their respective roles in the September
2001 and August 2006 fires.
The Ninth Circuit Court of Appeals later summarized their crimes:
“The Hammonds have longed ranched private and public land in Eastern
Oregon. Although they lease public lands for grazing, the Hammonds are
not permitted to burn it without prior authorization from the Bureau of
Land Management. Government employees reminded Steven of this
restriction in 1999 after he started a fire that escaped onto public land.
But in September 2001, the Hammonds again set fire on their property that
spread to nearby public land. Although the Hammonds claimed that the
fire was designed to burn off invasive species on their property, a teenage
relative of theirs testified that Steven had instructed him to drop lit
matches on the ground so as to “light up the whole country on fire.” And
the teenager did just that. The resulting flames, which were eight to ten
feet high, spread quickly and forced the teenager to shelter in a creek. The
fire ultimately consumed 139 acres of public land and took the acreage out of
production for two growing seasons.
In August 2006, the lightning storm kindled several fires near where the
Hammonds grew their winter feed. Steven responded by attempting back
burns near the boundary of his land. Although a burn ban was in effect,
Steven did not seek a waiver. His fires burned about an acre of public land.”

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Re: TPTB

Unread postby Pops » Tue 05 Jan 2016, 17:38:11

I think this is what happens when the prime motive is pandering. The whole Tough on Crime Drug War was a way to establish the crazies into the Rs after they were booted from the Ds.

Slick Willie played right along in his turn.
And of course so did President Cheney

Basically, as I ranted somewhere lately, it is just another example of letting TPTB get away with not doing their job.
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Re: TPTB

Unread postby Lore » Tue 05 Jan 2016, 17:39:46

Thank god we have the Bundy Constitutional crackpots to the rescue. Now there is a clear case of domestic terrorism at work.
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Re: TPTB

Unread postby dinopello » Tue 05 Jan 2016, 18:14:41

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Lore', 'T')hank god we have the Bundy Constitutional crackpots to the rescue. Now there is a clear case of domestic terrorism at work.


To call those yahoos domestic terrorists is a bit of a stretch. I'm sure they will have a nice SNL sketch done in their honor though. They occupied a closed visitor center, apparently without provisions (other than guns) but forgot to bring snacks and juice boxes. Now, the power will be cut to the facility (did they bring their coleman heater/stoves and camp lights ? If not yet, then soon all communications to that sector will be jammed as well. Did they bring their carrier pigeons or know smoke signals ? We talk about bug-out bags all the time. Did they pack a good bug-in bag ? Maybe they should have consulted those dirty hippies in OWS for some advice beforehand.
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Re: TPTB

Unread postby Cid_Yama » Tue 05 Jan 2016, 18:25:42

black vs white.png


'Y'all Qaeda'

1. If they were non-white they would be dead right now.

2. White people 'taking back' Native American lands? I believe there are prior claims.

3. This is another case of, "They won't let us do what we want, Waaaaah!"

4. Do the crime, serve the time.

5. Real shame, now that they are felons, they won't be able to have guns. :lol:
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Re: TPTB

Unread postby Tanada » Tue 05 Jan 2016, 18:33:22

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Cid_Yama', '
')'Y'all Qaeda'

1. If they were non-white they would be dead right now.


So all those rioters in Ferguson and Baltimore that destroyed millions in property through violence and arson were shot dead by the police? When and where did that happen cause I sure never saw anything like that on my CNN feeds.
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Re: TPTB

Unread postby MonteQuest » Tue 05 Jan 2016, 19:25:38

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Plantagenet', ' ')Sorry to pop your conspiracy bubble


I never claimed conspiracy, I asked unanswered questions.

It's easy to spot a poster's bias when they only read far enough into a post to find the first sentence they disagree with, quote it, and then post a response that makes them look silly when you read the whole post they responded to. 8)
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Re: TPTB

Unread postby Newfie » Tue 05 Jan 2016, 19:44:59

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('MonteQuest', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Newfie', ' ') Who among us would do the kind of fact checking you are doing?


People looking for the truth amidst lies. And book authors doing research.


That pretty much makes my point, a vanishingly small percent of people. I respect your research and appreciate it. It does bring important facts to light.

But there is another point....let's say, for sake of argument, that you can prove that he was lying and not confused or delusional. You have not established WHY he was lying. It could be for a number of reasons one of which is simply to pass a good story to make himself seem netter than he was. I'd say that if so he was pretty successful.

I bderstand y want the tether, but proving someone a liar does not prove your version of the truth. It just disproves theirs.
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