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Re: Credit crunch hits Petrobras

Unread postby jamest » Mon 05 Jan 2009, 15:14:20

Good post, Rockman. Thanks
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Re: Credit crunch hits Petrobras

Unread postby rockdoc123 » Mon 05 Jan 2009, 16:00:31

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'B')ut, to be sure, the drop in oil prices will definitely slow up progress. But not right now. If a company has truly proven reserves (what the independent bank auditors say...not the company talking heads) then the banks will throw a certain amount of $'s at them based upon today's price. Some rig builders might not be able to finance new construction but exploration and development hasn't taken a hit...YET. The time lines for these projects are years long so they can't be modified much in the short term (6+ months). Now if oil stays low for a year+ then we should start seeing some strategic changes.


living everyday at the sharp end of the stick I would have to correct you here. First off try and find a bank that will lend you money, no matter who you are. Even if it was completely risk free you would not be able to get the billions of dollars required....no matter who you are. Case in point is Total recently was rumored to have been refused a few billion financing to acquire additional heavy oil reserves through A&D. And exploration and production are being influenced. As an E&P company if I can't get financing anywhere (and you can't) I need to live within my cashflow. If I was producing 400,000 bopd I likely made $40 billion last year (just a guess). Based on even the more aggressive predictions for average oil price in 2009 that income drops below $20 billion. Most E&P companies who trade offer some dividend but mainly reinvest all of their earnings in order to grow the business. Hence plans for 2009 spending have to get chopped in order to live within current cash flow and the first to go will be the ones that require large immediate capital outlay and have a significant time delay to payout. Brazilian deepwater appraisal and development falls into this category to my mind.
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Re: Credit crunch hits Petrobras

Unread postby ROCKMAN » Mon 05 Jan 2009, 16:19:11

Thanks James. China has been sneaking its nose under a lot of different tents for more then 10 years. The first time I noticed their plan was back in the mid 90's when they paid the Venezuelan gov't over $200 million for an old field making less than 300 bopd. But that was after watching a US operator take another field making 100 bopd and ramping it up to 40,000 bopd in just a few years (used horizontal well bores). I doubt there's a single major oil play in the world they haven't gotten a finger in by buying interest out right or financing development. The quickly jumped into offshore Angola and now have the biggest chair at the table. I'd bet the BZ deal, if it doesn't end up providing direct ownership, has a right of first refusal on oil sales. For along time the Chinese have been focused as much on access to oil as the price they pay for it. I think they believe the day will come when just having the money to pay for the oil won’t guarantee your ability to get your hands on it. This was a common angle played with natural gas in the US back in the late 70’s. It wasn’t uncommon for the right of first refusal to be worth more then the NG itself. I knew a fellow that got a check for $35,000 a month for almost 10 years because he took a ROFR from one company and traded it to another company. Nice pay day for only having to sign your name twice.

The Chinese might cut a fat deal with Petrobras. As strong as Petrobras might be, the BZ still depends heavily on it's oil income. They may not be in as bad a shape as Mexico but they also have a huge mass to keep sedate with gov't support.
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Re: Credit crunch hits Petrobras

Unread postby ROCKMAN » Mon 05 Jan 2009, 16:29:16

May well be doc. I start loosing my confort zone when we get beyond 9 digits. We cut our 2009 unconventional NG budget from $1.4 billion to less then $700 million. Spend from cash flow only even though we have the credit line to write the full check. Don't want to combine the pricing uncertainty with the interest costs.

This will almost certainly prevent 100% reserve replacement of our NG but my guess is that mangement doesn't think the shareholders will revolt. Just my WAG but I think they figure the stock has already taken an overshoot on the downside so they might as well take advantage of the negativity. With rig rates coming down as well as steel prices, wells drilled the 2nd half of '09 might produce a considerably better return then we've seen for a while.
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Brazil Petrobras, Partners Start Tests At Tupi Oil Field

Unread postby Ache » Mon 04 May 2009, 23:01:40

http://online.wsj.com/article/BT-CO-200 ... 08418.html

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'T')he event marked Brazil's official emergence as a nascent global oil power. In November 2007, Petrobras caused a stir in the international oil industry with the announcement of the Tupi discovery, estimated to hold recoverable reserves of between 5 billion and 8 billion barrels of oil equivalent
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In December 2010, Petrobras plans to start a pilot production program at Tupi. Tupi is expected to produce 100,000 barrels of crude daily and 4 million cubic meters of natural gas.
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Re: Brazil Petrobras, Partners Start Tests At Tupi Oil Field

Unread postby copious.abundance » Mon 04 May 2009, 23:07:54

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Re: Brazil Petrobras, Partners Start Tests At Tupi Oil Field

Unread postby Leutnant » Tue 05 May 2009, 18:09:00

Up to 8 billion barrels of recoverable oil,
yet only a production rate of a 100.000 barrels per day?
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Re: Brazil Petrobras, Partners Start Tests At Tupi Oil Field

Unread postby copious.abundance » Tue 05 May 2009, 21:02:09

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Leutnant', 'U')p to 8 billion barrels of recoverable oil,
yet only a production rate of a 100.000 barrels per day?

That's just the pilot test. Petrobras last year said it could go up to 1 million bpd:
http://www.reuters.com/article/companyN ... 24?sp=true
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', ' ')Assistant director for Exploration and Production, Alvaro Costa, estimated future production of 1 million barrels per day from the sub-salt layers of the Tupi field.

"We're going to have 11 vessels producing in Tupi in the future, more or less 1 million barrels with Tupi alone," he said.
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S&P cuts rating on Petrobras

Unread postby TheDude » Wed 10 Jun 2009, 19:35:16

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$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'J')un 10, 2009, 6:41 p.m. EST

LOS ANGELES (MarketWatch) -- Standard & Poor's Ratings Services late Wednesday cut its corporate credit rating on Brazilian state-run oil giant Petroleo Brasileiro SA /quotes/comstock/13*!pbr/quotes/nls/pbr (PBR 43.43, +0.23, +0.53%) to BBB- from BBB. The downgrade was triggered "by the tighter credit measures we are forecasting for the next five years as Petrobras implements its sizable investment plan," said S&P credit analyst Marcelo Costa in a prepared statement. The outlook for the ratings is stable. The agency said the company's $174.4 billion capital expediture plan amid expectations of lower domestic and international oil prices may result in negative free operating cash flow, which would require "significant financing efforts." S&P said at the same time, it sees Petrobras' business prospects as favorable, largely because of its current portfolio and oilfield discoveries.


Combine that with lack of reserve growth and negligible increase in net exports and that's one raggedy looking bull.
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Re: S&P cuts rating on Petrobras

Unread postby copious.abundance » Wed 10 Jun 2009, 21:02:48

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'T')he agency said the company's $174.4 billion capital expediture plan amid expectations of lower domestic and international oil prices may result in negative free operating cash flow

At least someone is forecasting lower oil prices! :lol:
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Re: S&P cuts rating on Petrobras

Unread postby kiwichick » Thu 11 Jun 2009, 21:29:57

yeah ; like we can trust the rating agencies; YEAH RIGHT!!!!
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Re: S&P cuts rating on Petrobras

Unread postby TheAntiDoomer » Fri 12 Jun 2009, 11:14:12

Yeah unfornate poster the dude has become. He use to be pretty rational, but has fallen off the doom deep end in the recent past.
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Re: THE Petrobras Thread (merged)

Unread postby TheAntiDoomer » Sun 23 Aug 2009, 19:44:13

Brazil develops fossil-fuel fever

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/report-o ... le1261581/

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'B')ut since the national oil company Petroleo Brasileiro SA, or Petrobras, discovered the massive Tupi field off the coast of Rio de Janeiro two years ago — estimated to hold 5 to 8 billion barrels — it is the development of oil fields that has gone into overdrive.
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Petrobras CEO says 2010 Peak

Unread postby AirlinePilot » Thu 04 Feb 2010, 15:51:37

Good article by ace over at TOD today. highly recommended.

http://www.theoildrum.com/node/6169#more

"Mr. Gabrielli, the CEO of Petrobras, gave a presentation in December 2009 in which he shows world oil capacity, including biofuels, peaking in 2010 due to oil capacity additions from new projects being unable to offset world oil decline rates."
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Re: Petrobras CEO says 2010 Peak

Unread postby TheDude » Thu 04 Feb 2010, 15:59:15

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Doesn't he know about all that oil they've discovered in the Brazilian offshore ?

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Re: Petrobras CEO says 2010 Peak

Unread postby eastbay » Thu 04 Feb 2010, 16:00:30

He knows. That's why this is an incredible announcement. 8O
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Re: Petrobras CEO says 2010 Peak

Unread postby copious.abundance » Thu 04 Feb 2010, 17:07:51

I knew I smelled a rat.

Absolutely nowhere in that Petrobras PDF does Gabrielli state that 2010 will be the peak of production.

In fact, the chart ace used to claim that Gabrielli was stating 2010 was the peak, actually shows Petrobras forecasting three scenarios in which production increases!

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All the chart does is show that large amounts of additional supply will be needed. It does not say anywhere that 2010 is forecast to be the peak, or that adding the additional supply will be impossible.

But having seen other posts by ace in TOD, I've come to expect such dishonesty from him.
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Re: Petrobras CEO says 2010 Peak

Unread postby davep » Thu 04 Feb 2010, 17:15:21

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('OilFinder2', 'A')ll the chart does is show that large amounts of additional supply will be needed. It does not say anywhere that 2010 is forecast to be the peak, or that adding the additional supply will be impossible.


He's already calculated the additional supply, yet it isn't enough.

If what he's saying about current projects is true, we may not even have enough time to bring other projects online before a serious dip in production occurs.
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Re: Petrobras CEO says 2010 Peak

Unread postby eastbay » Thu 04 Feb 2010, 17:18:32

The chart seems clear and easy to understand. I hope I have this right:

The lines on the chart heading up into the upper right indicate differing Petrobras estimates of worldwide demand. The cliff colored yellow/orange shows what the world can expect from supply.

Is there something else to read from this chart?
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Re: Petrobras CEO says 2010 Peak

Unread postby copious.abundance » Thu 04 Feb 2010, 17:23:07

Beneath the chart it says:

"Although less challenging, Divided Attention and Sustainable Development shall also require considerable investment effort."

Note the, "Although less challenging." That means he believes those two scenarios are do-able, given sufficient investment.

I repeat: Nowhere in this document does he say 2010 is forecast to be the peak. That is ace's interpretation - and it is an incorrect one.
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