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$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('rangerone314', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('pstarr', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('shortonsense', ' ')roof roads

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('pstarr', '.') . . when I pointed out that natural gas pipelines and electric transmission lines do not follow interstates . . .

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$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('pstarr', 'S')horty, I did make not make a mistake--the total costs are correct. I did made a transposition error. The second calc. should have said 67,000 (not 51,376)*5280*50*100=$1.8 trillion.

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$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('OilFinder2', '
')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('pstarr', 'G')ood. Do I get paid for your elementary education in Real World Studies?

[SeaGypsy]

In the Philippines a gallon of petrol or diesel costs about $4. Wages average between $5 and $10 PER DAY. The standard transport is a 125cc motorcycle with a sidecar on. They have customised roofing and windscreens. These 150mpg vehicles suffice in torrential rain and will carry a family of 4 in reasonable comfort (dry, padded seats). Once you get used to these they are a lot of fun. A Japanese made one will set you back $1200 US a chinese one about 2/3rds of that. For longer journeys there are jeepneys and busses. The jeepneys are extended 4 cylinder diesels which get 50mpg with room for 20 people with luggage. Busses are the standard thing for journeys over 10 miles. There are 3 motorbikes/ trikes on the road for every car. Virtually all cars are small engined. This situation was not brought about by legislation but by real cost to earnings.

This is so clueless I don't know why I bother, but . . .
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('pstarr', 'p')retty picture. cute concept, but really not too relevant.

These are collection and bulk distribution lines and do not service population or transportation clusters . . .

[copious.abundance]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('pstarr', 'I')n the big cities or suburbs. But not along the interstates where big trucks drive. You need to get out more. Leave the basement keyboard and get some fresh air

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$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('pstarr', '
')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('shortonsense', 'a')nd EROEI is used by all the oil companies to decide which projects to give the go ahead to. Its a weird place.

[TonyPrep]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('shortonsense', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('TonyPrep', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('shortonsense', 'G')ood thing I specialize in science and critical thinking

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$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('TonyPrep', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('shortonsense', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('TonyPrep', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('shortonsense', 'G')ood thing I specialize in science and critical thinking

[rangerone314]

EROEI is a silly concept for an energy company to worry about.

If it were to take 3 barrels of oil to extract 2 barrels of oil the oil company would be losing MONEY.

And they would be losing money long before the 2:3 ratio, because of expenses other than raw materials, cost of goods sold etc (like overhead, adminstrative & salary expenses, maintenance)

Its like a doctor worrying about lead poisoning from someone who has been shot 20 times: the patient will die from blood loss and shock long before lead poisoning becomes an issue.

[shortonsense]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('rangerone314', 'E')ROEI is a silly concept for an energy company to worry about.

If it were to take 3 barrels of oil to extract 2 barrels of oil the oil company would be losing MONEY.

[rangerone314]

If the playing field between different forms of energy gets leveled, as some cornucopians would suggest (if electricity and natural gas get increasing used for transportation) then return-on-energy not return-on-petroleum would be relevant...

In the future you will either be able to chose your forms of energy for transportation etc or NOT and a substitution effect would suggest a balancing of prices between different forms, give or take production stability/predictibility.

EROEI is irrelevant for practical purposes because money serves not only as a proxy for energy, but as a medium of exchange for other activities, not all of which require much energy. (A scissors haircut for $15 requires less energy than 5 gallons of gasoline will produce)

Companies and governments only use scientists to discover what is theoretically possible, they use accountants and actuaries to determine what is affordable. Obviously there are fewer things that are affordable than are theoretically possible... you could have EROEI of 2:1 and if for some reason your overhead was too high and non-energy expenses were high, then your company would still go belly up.

If EROEI (and NOT MONEY) was the deciding factor EVER, then you would never see any energy companies fail before EROEI goes below 1. (Ask George W Bush about Spectrum 7)

[TonyPrep]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('shortonsense', 'W')hat if the company invested 3 barrel equivalents of natural gas energy to get 2 barrels of oil out? They could make money.

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$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('TonyPrep', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('shortonsense', 'W')hat if the company invested 3 barrel equivalents of natural gas energy to get 2 barrels of oil out? They could make money.