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Re: In his book, Glenn Beck admits suffers from Schizophreni
by vision-master » Wed 09 Feb 2011, 10:44:43
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Cid_Yama', 'A')mazing how you always find people with a history of mental illness attacking psychologists, the field of practice, or the DSM in particular.
Don't forget the the drug pushing physiatrists - these ppl are a fricken joke.
Meds Suck!
I quit this crap cold turkey and had side effects for two years.
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Re: In his book, Glenn Beck admits suffers from Schizophreni
by Lumpy » Wed 09 Feb 2011, 11:25:37
A few thoughts from someone who practices psychiatry (me), in response to various posts on this thread:
1. The link in the original post in this thread goes to another message board ... not to Glenn Beck's book. I don't own the Beck book, but I went to Amazon and searched the book for the word "schizophrenia". No results. I would appreciate someone posting the direct quote from the book, please.
2. Borderline schizophrenia?? There is no diagnostic criteria for a mental illness of "borderline schizophrenia" in the DSM-IV.
3. Most people who practice psychiatry do not do therapy anymore, but CAN. Psychiatrists and psychologists in the USA are both (by training & certification) qualified to diagnosis mental illnesses.
4. Psychologists CANNOT treat with medications, only with therapy. Psychiatrists CAN do both, but usually just handle the medications -- it's just the direction that things have gone in the way psychiatry is practiced in this country. (I do both, though.)
5. In the two states in which I practice, the person who most often makes the initial diagnosis in the E.R. of a hospital is neither a psychologist nor a psychiatrist. It is a master's level mental health worker who is specially trained to make initial determinations, and can even cause the patient to be detained (involuntarily committed) for 72 hours for psychiatric care. At that point, the patient comes under the care of someone practicing psychiatry, who has to make the formal (beyond initial) diagnosis. This is the way it works in many other states as well.
6. It is so true that many people with mental illness will self-medicate with marijuana (and/or alcohol and/or meth and/or heroin, etc), particularly if they are on no meds, or on the wrong meds.
7. In my experience, marijuana tends to exacerbate the symptoms of many mental illnesses, and may therefore bring them to the fore more quickly and/or with stronger impact.
Lumpy
1. The link in the original post in this thread goes to another message board ... not to Glenn Beck's book. I don't own the Beck book, but I went to Amazon and searched the book for the word "schizophrenia". No results. I would appreciate someone posting the direct quote from the book, please.
2. Borderline schizophrenia?? There is no diagnostic criteria for a mental illness of "borderline schizophrenia" in the DSM-IV.
3. Most people who practice psychiatry do not do therapy anymore, but CAN. Psychiatrists and psychologists in the USA are both (by training & certification) qualified to diagnosis mental illnesses.
4. Psychologists CANNOT treat with medications, only with therapy. Psychiatrists CAN do both, but usually just handle the medications -- it's just the direction that things have gone in the way psychiatry is practiced in this country. (I do both, though.)
5. In the two states in which I practice, the person who most often makes the initial diagnosis in the E.R. of a hospital is neither a psychologist nor a psychiatrist. It is a master's level mental health worker who is specially trained to make initial determinations, and can even cause the patient to be detained (involuntarily committed) for 72 hours for psychiatric care. At that point, the patient comes under the care of someone practicing psychiatry, who has to make the formal (beyond initial) diagnosis. This is the way it works in many other states as well.
6. It is so true that many people with mental illness will self-medicate with marijuana (and/or alcohol and/or meth and/or heroin, etc), particularly if they are on no meds, or on the wrong meds.
7. In my experience, marijuana tends to exacerbate the symptoms of many mental illnesses, and may therefore bring them to the fore more quickly and/or with stronger impact.
Lumpy
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Re: In his book, Glenn Beck admits suffers from Schizophreni
by SeaGypsy » Wed 09 Feb 2011, 12:02:04
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Lumpy', 'A') few thoughts from someone who practices psychiatry (me), in response to various posts on this thread:
1. The link in the original post in this thread goes to another message board ... not to Glenn Beck's book. I don't own the Beck book, but I went to Amazon and searched the book for the word "schizophrenia". No results. I would appreciate someone posting the direct quote from the book, please.
1. The link in the original post in this thread goes to another message board ... not to Glenn Beck's book. I don't own the Beck book, but I went to Amazon and searched the book for the word "schizophrenia". No results. I would appreciate someone posting the direct quote from the book, please.
Thanks Lumpy, (I'm glad I put in that there are some good people in the profession
)Yeah I was wondering that too, got sidetracked by being called a nut by a pompous old git.
'Borderline Personality Disorder' is a fairly new diagnosis and is a very interesting one; quite distinct from schizophrenia. Not sure what's up with this. Have you ever come across a patient diagnosed with both BPD and schizophrenia?
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Re: In his book, Glenn Beck admits suffers from Schizophreni
by PrestonSturges » Wed 09 Feb 2011, 12:06:34
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Lumpy', 'A') few thoughts from someone who practices psychiatry (me), in response to various posts on this thread:...Lumpy
I'd like to hear your thoughts on why the people that have the most catastrophic home lives often believe they have a messianic ability to determine how other people should live, and why so many other people find this proposition irrisistable. Extra points for using the words "alcoholism" and "abuse."
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Re: In his book, Glenn Beck admits suffers from Schizophreni
by Lumpy » Wed 09 Feb 2011, 13:51:00
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('SeaGypsy', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Lumpy', 'A') few thoughts from someone who practices psychiatry (me), in response to various posts on this thread:
1. The link in the original post in this thread goes to another message board ... not to Glenn Beck's book. I don't own the Beck book, but I went to Amazon and searched the book for the word "schizophrenia". No results. I would appreciate someone posting the direct quote from the book, please.
1. The link in the original post in this thread goes to another message board ... not to Glenn Beck's book. I don't own the Beck book, but I went to Amazon and searched the book for the word "schizophrenia". No results. I would appreciate someone posting the direct quote from the book, please.
Thanks Lumpy, (I'm glad I put in that there are some good people in the profession
)Yeah I was wondering that too, got sidetracked by being called a nut by a pompous old git.
'Borderline Personality Disorder' is a fairly new diagnosis and is a very interesting one; quite distinct from schizophrenia. Not sure what's up with this. Have you ever come across a patient diagnosed with both BPD and schizophrenia?
Yes, very politic of you to note that there are some good people in the profession.
BPD doesn't "feel" that new to me, as I work with many people with borderline personality disorder. In the overall picture of psychiatry as profession, it is relatively new as a diagnosis, though.
Yes, I have seen patients who were already carrying both BPD and Schizophrenia diagnoses. However there are two important comments I'd like to make (well, I think they are important
) :1. There is so much overlap in symptoms between different diagnoses -- it is imperative (although unpopular with many psychiatrists) that we acknowledge that we are labeling sets of symptoms as this or that diagnosis, in order to be able to communicate with one another -- and with insurance companies (etc). Unfortunately, it's not like strep -- where you go get a throat culture and, bang, there is the result -- yes you have it, or no you don't.
2. Usually someone who has BPD will have concurrent depression, anxiety, etc -- but you don't really see the true thought disorder symptoms that are definitive in schizophrenia. (e.g. hallucinations, etc.) So I think that, overall, the patients of mine with schizophrenia who also have come to me with BPD as a diagnosis were showing "odd" behaviors that got thrown into a personality disorder diagnosis, before the schizophrenia manifested fully. More like combo would be paranoid personality disorder with schizophrenia.
Of all the branches of medicine, psychiatry is truly the one that is highest toward the art end of "the art of medicine" spectrum.
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