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')My Sister is still taking Paxil. I warned her years ago to not take that stuff, she can't get off them now otherwise she's goes fricken batty.
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THE Glenn Beck Thread (merged)
Re: In his book, Glenn Beck admits suffers from Schizophreni
by Ludi » Wed 09 Feb 2011, 16:56:59
Apparently some people can get off them successfully if they very incrementally reduce their dosage over the course of many weeks. Cold turkey is really bad for some people. I went off one (Effexor) cold turkey and had horrible withdrawal symptoms including bizarre extremely uncomfortable leg pains as well as emotional symptoms of despair.
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Re: In his book, Glenn Beck admits suffers from Schizophreni
by Lumpy » Wed 09 Feb 2011, 16:58:52
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Ludi', ' ') Lots of other people can't do well at all without medication - they curl into a fetal position, end up in prison, or kill themselves. Though there's still a lot to be desired from psychiatric medicine, I don't think there's a need to throw the baby out with the bathwater a la Tom Cruise. People should work with their physicians to find the best balance for their own situation among the available treatments, including diet, exercise, pharmaceuticals, herbal medication (if appropriate) etc. 
Very well put, Ludi. And, for example, I for one often suggest that my patients use Valerian for anxiety (especially) and sleep problems. Also melatonin for sleep. I also recomend that they avoid certain foods, and keep moving (i.e. some form of excercise.) If they like animals and can have one, I discuss the value of having a pet in helping attain and maintain mental health. Etc, etc, etc. In other words, it's not ALWAYS just "reach for the prescription pad."
But as you said, although there is much room for improvement in psychotropic meds, that doesn't mean that we should stop utilizing what we have. We must remember, too, that development of psych meds started long after development of meds for other problems.
Thanks for posting as you did.
Lumpy
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Re: In his book, Glenn Beck admits suffers from Schizophreni
by Lumpy » Wed 09 Feb 2011, 17:13:37
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Ludi', '
')Apparently some people can get off them successfully if they very incrementally reduce their dosage over the course of many weeks. Cold turkey is really bad for some people. I went off one (Effexor) cold turkey and had horrible withdrawal symptoms including bizarre extremely uncomfortable leg pains as well as emotional symptoms of despair.
')Apparently some people can get off them successfully if they very incrementally reduce their dosage over the course of many weeks. Cold turkey is really bad for some people. I went off one (Effexor) cold turkey and had horrible withdrawal symptoms including bizarre extremely uncomfortable leg pains as well as emotional symptoms of despair.
This is correct, Ludi. I have weaned many people off different meds because they were no longer effective -- but knowing that the cold turkey route could cause major discomfort and even some danger with some meds. (This is true for a number NON-psych meds, too, of course. Slow taper off, rather than sudden withdrawal of the med.)
Sometimes a medication will be very helpful to a person for a period of time, and then decreasingly so, to the point that discontinuation is indicated -- often with cross titration to another medication.
As you said above, it would be great if NONE of these meds (or any OTHER meds) were needed. But the alternative to not taking them (or not having them available) is far worse for many, many people.
Lumpy
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Re: In his book, Glenn Beck admits suffers from Schizophreni
by vision-master » Wed 09 Feb 2011, 17:17:57
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'V')ery well put, Ludi. And, for example, I for one often suggest that my patients use Valerian for anxiety (especially) and sleep problems. Also melatonin for sleep. I also recomend that they avoid certain foods, and keep moving (i.e. some form of excercise.) If they like animals and can have one, I discuss the value of having a pet in helping attain and maintain mental health. Etc, etc, etc. In other words, it's not ALWAYS just "reach for the prescription pad."
But as you said, although there is much room for improvement in psychotropic meds, that doesn't mean that we should stop utilizing what we have. We must remember, too, that development of psych meds started long after development of meds for other problems.
Thanks for posting as you did.
Lumpy
But as you said, although there is much room for improvement in psychotropic meds, that doesn't mean that we should stop utilizing what we have. We must remember, too, that development of psych meds started long after development of meds for other problems.
Thanks for posting as you did.
Lumpy
Cannabis works the best for sleep problems with no hangover effect in the morning.
A psychoactive drug , psychopharmaceutical or psychotropic is a chemical substance. This goes back to the FDA/ drug companies controling WHAT mental health ppl DO. Lumpy, you are CONTROLED by big pharmaceutical.
Also, you left out a very important antidote for mind stabilization, spiritual ritual, the burning of sage/ tobacco and sound/ music. I think you (shrinks) ppl have much to learn from the shamans. You see, at least for some kinds of mental illness, the person MUST conjure the spirits in order to become whole again. Of course, these ideas are taboo in western culture.
You see Lumpy, the main reason ppl in modern culture have so many of these problems is bc we have lost our connection with the spirit world.
You ppl serve me no purpose anymore.
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