[Ludi]

I'm impressed by how high-functioning Beck is, if he isn't on medication. But I feel it's irresponsible of Fox to have him on the news channel. But they are an irresponsible organization!

[mos6507]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Serial_Worrier', '
')Those people at the Rally are Republicans anyways. I doubt Beck has converted one person over to being a Republican.

[Tanada]

What a wonderful age we live in where those who express opinions can and are routinely labeled as insane, stupid, or both.

You want to win the debate try defeating the arguments or refuting the facts, not throwing mud at the messenger. It is so Passe'.

[mos6507]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Tanada', 'W')hat a wonderful age we live in where those who express opinions can and are routinely labeled as insane, stupid, or both.

[Narz]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Cid_Yama', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'I')nstead of talking about mental illness, which is often so ill defined as to be ultimately almost meaningless

[Narz]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Ludi', 'I')'m impressed by how high-functioning Beck is, if he isn't on medication. But I feel it's irresponsible of Fox to have him on the news channel. But they are an irresponsible organization!

[Cid_Yama]

Amazing how you always find people with a history of mental illness attacking psychologists, the field of practice, or the DSM in particular.

[SeaGypsy]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Cid_Yama', 'A')mazing how you always find people with a history of mental illness attacking psychologists, the field of practice, or the DSM in particular.

[SeaGypsy]

According to your theory Cid (keeping in mind that all psychiatry and psychology is theory, there is no hard science base) a 21 year old from a priveleged background and a degree in psychology is qualified to make diagnosis of psychiatric disorders. Officially incorrect, in reality a complete joke.

[papa moose]

Maybe Glenn Beck is a raging pot head?

http://peakoil.com/forums/smoking-pot-may-hasten-onset-of-mental-illness-t60772.html

[Cid_Yama]

Sea Gypsy, you have no clue what you are talking about.
Schizophrenia (DSM-IV-TR #295.1–295.3, 295.90)

To practice psychology in the US requires a Masters Degree in Clinical Psychology and an internship, followed by state board certification, and work under doctoral supervision.

To practice independently you must have a doctorate.

There are no 21 yr old therapists out there.

Psychiatry is a medical discipline requiring a medical degree and additional education in Psychiatry, and certification.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('SeaGypsy', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Cid_Yama', 'A')mazing how you always find people with a history of mental illness attacking psychologists, the field of practice, or the DSM in particular.

[SeaGypsy]

Cid, quoting yourself and putting my name to it? I think you are unstable, perhaps you should see a psychiatrist.

How old are these flunkies? 25?

People like you choose to sit in your comfy chair labelling people.

You display pretty much ALL symptoms of paranoid delusion.

[Cid_Yama]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('SeaGypsy', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Cid_Yama', 'A')mazing how you always find people with a history of mental illness attacking psychologists, the field of practice, or the DSM in particular.

[SeaGypsy]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Cid_Yama', 'H')ere is your whole post so you can remember. Just had left out your nonsense about schizophrenia above, which, if you noticed, I addressed in my post. ... You are so far out of your depth, and know so little about what you are trying to talk about, you should just let it go.

[Cid_Yama]

You don't know what you are talking about. Instead of trying to pretend that you do, you should just let it go.

Psychologists routinely do diagnosis and assessment of psychopathology. In emergency rooms, the initial assessment and diagnosis will be done by a psychologist.

Schizophrenia is most often treated psychiatrically, since medications are often a required part of their treatment, but the assessment and diagnosis more often than not has been made by a psychologist.

There is no distinction between psychological or psychiatric diagnoses. Both Psychologists and Psychiatrists use the DSM-IV.

[SeaGypsy]

You should realise there are more than one point of view on psycological behavioural analysis and psychiatry and that they are not one and the same.

My views on these matters are based on decades of study and on years of working in the medical system, including working extensively with neurological disease particularly epilepsy and aquired brain injury. As I linked in my first post on this thread, a key point of reference for me is the work of Laing and Esterson, who have a very different take on psychiatry to you and the rest of mainstream psychiatry. I don't appreciate being told by a pompous arrogant old man to shut up because he is so sure I am wrong. As far as I know you have no experience in psychology, psychiatry or neurology; you certainly do not carry any weight in your narrow minded mainstream opinions on this matter.

[Cid_Yama]

Every time you open your mouth on this subject, you demonstrate your ignorance to those who actually do know what they are talking about.

[SeaGypsy]

In response to your heavily edited post above, Cid, let me say this.

From my experience psychologists are jazzed up nurses. Psychiatrists are overpaid and lazy. The mental health systems are generally woefully underfunded. Psychiatrists should not rely on psychologists for behavioural diagnosis, but they do because of underfunding and greed. The pharma industry exploits the fact that governments and insurers want a quick diagnosis followed by a medical prescription. As far as I am concerned the system is fundamentally flawed to the point of illegitimacy. On top of these factors, once a patient is sectioned for incarceration, the institution works to keep them there as long as possible, prolonging their funding base.

As in every profession there are good, bad and indifferent persons working in mental health. It is not a saintly profession by any stretch, nor does it have any kind of monopoly on the truth.

[Cid_Yama]

Psychiatrists generally prescribe and monitor medication levels of the patient while the patient also engages in therapy with a Psychologist. They are part of a team and the treatment team may also include Occupational Therapists, Physical Therapists, etc.

Your rants demonstrate a general lack of knowledge on the subject, and by appearance, seems to reflect the views of a patient.

[SeaGypsy]

BTW for those with a more objective viewpoint; I split time between an extremely subsidised medical system where I work with aboriginal Australians and third world provincial Philippines where there is effectively no such thing as psychiatry. There is infinitely MORE psychological illness in the Australian setting, despite the prevalence of Cid's lovelies in this profession. This fact is marked in many ways, especially in the most extreme situation; suicide. Approximately 10 times more Australians kill themselves than Filipinos. A large portion of Australia's suicides are current psychiatric patients.

The more psychiatry is practiced the more suicides happen. Psychiatry and psychology are primarily a business. They help some people to some extent some of the time, they are not generally effective.
Intolerance by mainstream society is the primary cause of suicide, not mental illness.

I give the industry no kudos. I have seen it destroy many people and damage many others.
Society is gravely mentally ill. That is an indisputable fact to anyone who understands the core subject matter of this site, peak oil, or Cid's pet topic, AGW. Yet we have AGW's primary proponent arguing vehemently for mainstream views of sanity or the lack thereof.