[untothislast]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Itch', 'U')sing words like "dominate," and "subjugate" to describe eating is silly. It does work when describing what is happening to animals in processing plants, since that entire enterprise is not used for eating; it is used to generate profit more than anything. That's why the government has you pay for such monstrosities through subsidization taxes. Using those verbs to describe some mammal having its neck broken on a deadfall is innacurate.

Domination, subjugation, and eating are applications of force used to achieve a certain goal. A valid example of domination and subjugation would be the fact that most people have to surrender a significant amount of time and energy to feudal lords in exchange for tokens that buy low quality food and shelter that varies in security.

Someone who catches a squirrel on a snare is eating, since that application was used for eating purposes.

To say that even that example of eating is domination and subjugation, or self-serving, is an obvious attempt to make people who eat differently feel guilty. A classic propaganda tactic.

[untothislast]

Now can we get back to talking about PeakOil?

[mommy22]

Just one more thing about meat and it's relation to Peak Oil...well, actually, it's Peak Water. The production of meat takes an incredible amount of water, especially beef. I was vegetarian for a long time, and started eating some meat when I was pregnant the first time. We eat meat 2-3 times a week (all hormone free or free range). I am really glad this came up...didn't know that raising the animals and processing them used so much oil, but I should have realized it sooner. Thanks for starting this thread. OK back to PO...

[aldente]

I live here. Where do you live anyway?

[TheTurtle]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('albente', 'I') live here. Where do you live anyway?

[Ludi]

Idiots!

Veganism isn't about doing NO harm, it is about doing LESS harm.

Dolts!

Why are you so threatened by another person's life choices.

Clods!

Omega 3 is available from vegetarian sources, such as flax. Vegans and vegetarians don't eat fish oil, you know, because fish are animals.

Doofuses!


BTW, I'm an omnivore who raises and slaughters my own meat.

So bite me.

[TheTurtle]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Ludi', 'I')diots!

[smallpoxgirl]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Ludi', 'S')o bite me.

[untothislast]

Here's a useful rule of thumb:

If it's dead - eat it.

If it's alive - don't kill it.

Everyone happy with that?

[TheTurtle]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('untothislast', 'N')ow can we get back to talking about PeakOil?

[smallpoxgirl]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('untothislast', 'H')ere's a useful rule of thumb:

If it's dead - eat it.

If it's alive - don't kill it.

Everyone happy with that?

[Aedo]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('untothislast', 'H')ere's a useful rule of thumb:

If it's dead - eat it.

If it's alive - don't kill it.

Everyone happy with that?

[untothislast]

Has anyone else noticed how aggressive, non-constructive, and hostile the meat-eating contingent on this thread seem to be?

I wonder if it's something in their diet?

[untothislast]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('TheTurtle', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('untothislast', 'N')ow can we get back to talking about PeakOil?

[TheTurtle]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('untothislast', 'H')as anyone else noticed how aggressive, non-constructive, and hostile the meat-eating contingent on this thread seem to be?

[untothislast]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('TheTurtle', '
')Have I come across as aggressive and hostile? My apologies.

[0mar]

There is nothing inherently wrong with killing.

Killing has been part of the eco-system for ... 3 or so billion years now. Bacteria consume other bacteria for nutrients. Plants kill organisms to protect themselves and to eat (Venus Fly Traps). Animals kill plants and other animals for nutrients and in self-defense.

Human beings are no different. You can take offense to how meat is produced in our society, but to take offense to killing is simply asinine. You don't lament the billions of bacteria killed each day by your immune system. You don't lament over the thousands of insects killed each day by your actions (direct or indirect).

Also, untothislast, you stated before that animals act on instinct and that they are also sentient. Which is it buddy, you can't have it both ways. Either the tiger understands the gravity of its actions, or it acts on instinct and has no control over what it does. To claim that the tiger doesn't understand what it does and call it sentient is having your cake and eating it too.