[lateStarter]

We will all be discussing and arguing the nuances of PO, right up until the moment we disappear. The fact that many people are arguing that there is in fact a problem rather that about the solution indicates we are only that much closer to .. w what? Give it up!!! We could do so much, but we won't. Enjoy the show..

[ubercynicmeister]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('MicroHydro', 'P')O is heterodox. There are many prophets, but no cult leaders. Nobody has asked me to give up all my money and move to the cult compound in South America. Nobody is pouring kool aid. If someone decides to stop following PO, they aren't kidnapped and dragged back to the compound.

[DesertBear2]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('MicroHydro', '
')Big differences. PO is heterodox. There are many prophets, but no cult leaders. Nobody has asked me to give up all my money and move to the cult compound in South America. Nobody is pouring kool aid. If someone decides to stop following PO, they aren't kidnapped and dragged back to the compound.

[SchroedingersCat]

Where's Aaron when you need him? The beloved (& feared) leader of the reaper cult will set everything right.

[WebHubbleTelescope]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('malcomatic_51', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('WebHubbleTelescope', '
')Anyone that writes even one article for http://TechCentralStation.com approaches zero credibility,

[Bandidoz]

The guy completely fails to see that the purpose of "prophecies of doom" are "default scenarios" (as he actually points out - no ingenuity undertaken) and act as a call to action. That's why previous such prophecies didn't happen - because they were heeded.

[Papey]

His book "enriching the Earth" is a must-read though for anyone who wants to fully understand the evolution of chemical fertilizers throughout the last 2 centuries and their dependance on natural gaz.

[EnergySpin]

I do not think he is an idiot; but it does not take a lot of reading to understand the mysticism that infiltrates Laherrere's work regarding peak oil . From the "Campbell and Company", Deffeys is the only sane person, the others are walking on a very thin line
.
Campbell is endorsing a fascist fuck fest (after all the Irish did not fight with us during WWII), Laherrere is trying to turn peak-oil into a theory of everything and we all know about Duncan, right?

In any case, I think Dr Smith's doometron reading is between 2-3:
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', '
')Energy transitions—from biomass to coal, from coal to oil,
from oil to natural gas, from direct use of fuels to electricity—
have stimulated technical advances and driven our inventiveness.
Inevitably, they bring enormous challenges for both
producers and consumers, necessitate the scrapping or reorganization
of extensive infrastructures, are costly and protracted,
and cause major socioeconomic dislocations. But
they have created more productive and richer economies, and
modern societies will not collapse just because we face yet
another of these grand transformations.Unless we believe, preposterously,
that human inventiveness and adaptability will
cease the year the world reaches the peak annual output of
conventional crude oil, we should see that milestone (whenever
it comes) as a challenging opportunity rather than as a
reason for cult-like worries and paralyzing concerns.

[PenultimateManStanding]

http://energybulletin.net/12517.html Here we can comment on things we read on other websites such as energy bulletin. The story would have us believe that we're "richer" but not any happier now than a generation ago.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', '
')First, surveys show that the indus­trialised nations have not become happier over time. Random samples of UK citizens today report the same degree of psychological well-being and satisfaction with their lives as did their (poorer) parents and grandparents. In the US, happiness has fallen over time. White American females are markedly less happy than were their mothers.

[Specop_007]

The hippies were right?? The hippies wanted pece, love, sex with everyone and carefree days of doing nothing. Doesnt sound like a life of happiness to me, sounds like the life of a daydreaming bum who walks around denying reality.

But scratching your gonneherphasyphilaids while sitting in thepark and not showering for a week is fun right?

As for mothers working, look at what we have since the 50's. Larger houses, more "gizmos" (Shit?), 2 or 3 cars vs one....The list goes on. My wife and I were a "traditional" family for a while. She went to work (As much for mental reasons as economic) and we moved up from an apartment and 1 car to a house and 2 cars. We could have done it on one job. We could have settled for a smaller house, or a lesser car. But we chose not to. And we're pretty damned happy for it.
I wont say a 2 job family is for everyone and people should think it over before jumping into it. I think the problem is people think they have to have a 2 income family, as opposed to realizing its not necesary.

[PenultimateManStanding]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Specop_007', '
')
But scratching your gonneherphasyphilaids while sitting in thepark and not showering for a week is fun right?

[Specop_007]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('PenultimateManStanding', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Specop_007', '
')
But scratching your gonneherphasyphilaids while sitting in thepark and not showering for a week is fun right?

[Pops]

The Dittohead inspired view of lazy, dirty hippies aside; a life ruled by the endless grind to buy the version of happiness "As Seen on TV" is hardly a prescription for satisfaction - at least not in my experience.

[holmes]

also the word Hippie has been incoroprated into the PC mainstream doublespeak. There were many that were trying to build a different culture. One based on comonality and skills. Not the idealogic version of hippie that has been "programmed" into us by the mainstream. I know many were in my family. master carpenters, tillers, mechanics, etc.. They drank beer and smoked grass. Thats it. no wollowing in the puke, etc.. However the culture went the other way and they were disheartend and had to survive.
These were the real hippies. The true hippie u dont see anymore. I am one of them. I think differently and I do not fit into anyone group.
Im a real american. Different. thats the way it should be. If not your just like any other nation and citizen. We were supposed to be the new world. Im not seeing anything new or different. same old assholes different continent. And the hippies did have some great ideas.
and we are getting poorer. jsut wait till ALL the welfare has run out and the ALL the middle to upperclass flows are ceased. then we will see.

[PenultimateManStanding]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Pops', 'a') life ruled by the endless grind to buy the version of happiness "As Seen on TV" is hardly a prescription for satisfaction - at least not in my experience.

[PrairieMule]

Which Hippies are we talking about? So many Hippies in the 70's got "Turned on to Jesus" and "Born Again". The end result of those hippies gave us The Moral Majority, Abstenence, War on Pornograhpy, and have a heavy influence on the republican party. Are those Hippies right? Well at least Right winged?

It is to say at least a interesting dynamic to watch. The "Jesus Freak" movement of the 70's. They had a message of peace and love thus attracting a lions share of baby boomers deep in the hippie culture. Just look at their music, it's split right down the middle with traditional and contemporary. Churches fight and get split up just over the music alone.

[hotsacks]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('holmes', 'a')lso the word Hippie has been incoroprated into the PC mainstream doublespeak. There were many that were trying to build a different culture. One based on comonality and skills. Not the idealogic version of hippie that has been "programmed" into us by the mainstream. I know many were in my family. master carpenters, tillers, mechanics, etc.. They drank beer and smoked grass. Thats it. no wollowing in the puke, etc.. However the culture went the other way and they were disheartend and had to survive.
These were the real hippies. The true hippie u dont see anymore. I am one of them. I think differently and I do not fit into anyone group.
Im a real american. Different. thats the way it should be. If not your just like any other nation and citizen. We were supposed to be the new world. Im not seeing anything new or different. same old assholes different continent. And the hippies did have some great ideas.
and we are getting poorer. jsut wait till ALL the welfare has run out and the ALL the middle to upperclass flows are ceased. then we will see.

[hotsacks]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('PrairieMule', 'W')hich Hippies are we talking about? So many Hippies in the 70's got "Turned on to Jesus" and "Born Again". The end result of those hippies gave us The Moral Majority, Abstenence, War on Pornograhpy, and have a heavy influence on the republican party. Are those Hippies right? Well at least Right winged?

It is to say at least a interesting dynamic to watch. The "Jesus Freak" movement of the 70's. They had a message of peace and love thus attracting a lions share of baby boomers deep in the hippie culture. Just look at their music, it's split right down the middle with traditional and contemporary. Churches fight and get split up just over the music alone.

[Zardoz]

Anybody know anything about this? It's a great site, and I hope the current outage is only temporary.