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THE Energy Bulletin Thread (merged)

General discussions of the systemic, societal and civilisational effects of depletion.

Unread postby Aaron » Sun 17 Apr 2005, 08:10:04

But OPEC is exploiting their poor oil.

OPEC oil is forced to wear veils in public, can't vote, and is regularly burned at the stake.

It is the duty of the Coalition of the Greedy to liberate this oil from the evil deprivations of OPEC.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'W')HEN in the course of hydrocaron events,
it becomes necessary for sweet crude to dissolve the Political Bands which have connected them with another, and to assume among the Powers of the Earth, the separate and equal Station to which the Laws of Nature and of Nature's God entitle them, a decent Respect to the Opinions of hydrocarbon requires that they should declare the causes which impel them to the Separation.

WE hold these Truths to be self-evident, that all hydrocarbons are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Discovery, Extraction and the Production of Energy



"HYDROCARBON LIBERATION NOW!"

"FREE THE BOUND PERIODICALS!"

What the hell are those crazy monkeys doing in Washington?
The problem is, of course, that not only is economics bankrupt, but it has always been nothing more than politics in disguise... economics is a form of brain damage.

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Unread postby Liamj » Mon 18 Apr 2005, 04:28:43

so should we all chip in & get Aaron a rest cure, or a deprogrammer, something, anything! :-D
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Unread postby 2007 » Mon 18 Apr 2005, 06:00:42

in retro-perspec-something, can we also sue the Texas Railroad Commission for being an evil cartell? - pumping up gas prices to... ehh, about... 75 cent.
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Unread postby 2007 » Mon 18 Apr 2005, 06:02:48

in retro-perspec-something, can we also sue the Texas Railroad Commission for being an evil cartell? - pumping up gas prices to... ehh, about... 75 cent.
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Unread postby Yavicleus » Mon 18 Apr 2005, 08:21:04

Wow....what another great and insightful idea from the Democrats!

"Hey, oil prices are up! It must be due to those evil mega-corporations and those evil oil cartels! Let's create some legislation that enables us to sue them! We'll make lots of money off of trial fees from this one boys..."

Thanks guys. Really. Wish you were doing more for us like forcing car companies to raise the MPG average of their vehicles or getting us wind and solar plants built. But I sure sleep better knowing that you're going to sue OPEC and those evil corporations!
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Unread postby DomusAlbion » Mon 18 Apr 2005, 09:20:44

Leahy is the Democrat Senator from Vermont that VP Cheney famously told "Fuck Off" to not long ago. He's a real boob and a sniveling back stabber but I never thought he was this stupid. This may just be a purely political move and not serious legislation.

Oh, and as an addendum let me add: "Fuck Off, Leahy"
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Energy Bulletin: Let's defeat Nature !

Unread postby Sys1 » Wed 04 May 2005, 12:01:34

http://www.energybulletin.net/5895.html Beyond peak oil in itself, interesting to note that everything mankind is doing contribute to self destruction.
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Unread postby HellMan » Thu 05 May 2005, 03:53:17

Yup. That about sums it all up right there.
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Fueling the future audio?

Unread postby dinopello » Wed 10 Aug 2005, 00:43:28

Has anyone listened to these talks ?

http://www.energybulletin.net/7726.html

I saw them this morning but didn't have time to listen and now there are bandwidth problems :shock: . Anyone know of an alternate site ?
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Unread postby BabyPeanut » Wed 10 Aug 2005, 09:22:04

They should have used Coral.

http://www.coralcdn.org/
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Unread postby Sgs-Cruz » Wed 10 Aug 2005, 09:40:15

This doesn't have anything to do with the book of the same name, does it?

Btw for anyone thinking of buying that book, it's not really worth it. It's the same type of book as Rifkin's The Hydrogen Economy. A lot of talk of promise and potential, while casually tossing off one-liners like a shift of this magnitude will cause extreme hardship and social dislocation in which it appears the authors are not even reading the sentences they just wrote.
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THE Energy Bulletin Thread (merged)

Unread postby malcomatic_51 » Wed 28 Dec 2005, 09:11:04

Energy Bulletin: Peak Oil, a catastrophist cult?
Is Peak Oil just a catastrophist cult? According to one Dr Valclav Smil, yes it is. We're all wrong and everything will be all right because the market mechanism will save us. A new paper is presented in summary at our sister site: http://www.energybulletin.net/11888.html

I don't know where you can get an original free download, but the main content is summarised at EnergyBulletin. I expect PO will increasingly be up against this kind of thing even as prices rocket and the cornucopians bleat about the New Jerusalem of endless cheap renewable energy just around the corner.
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Re: Peak Oil is a "Catastrophist Cult"? New paper

Unread postby Hegel » Wed 28 Dec 2005, 10:21:12

Dr. Smil's publications are for the birds.
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Re: Peak Oil is a "Catastrophist Cult"? New paper

Unread postby Cynus » Wed 28 Dec 2005, 10:30:57

Oddly enough, for someone setting out to debunk PO, I didn't notice any discussion of depletion rates, discovery trends, demand inelasticity, etc. in Smil's article. That's a pretty shabby bit of debunking. PO.com should sell long black hooded robes with "Apocalyptic cult memebr" written on the back in bright yellow letters as a fund raiser.
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Re: Peak Oil is a "Catastrophist Cult"? New paper

Unread postby Antimatter » Wed 28 Dec 2005, 11:12:53

You can read Smil's article and others here:
http://home.cc.umanitoba.ca/~vsmil/publications_pdf.html
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Re: Peak Oil is a "Catastrophist Cult"? New paper

Unread postby peaknik » Wed 28 Dec 2005, 12:16:03

Smil is very critic of "energy seers", but he is no cornucopian. In "Energy at the crossroads" he also dismisses predictions of an early end of the oil era, but he pushes for abandoning CO2 emitting fuels and makes a quite passionate plea for reduction in overall energy consumption.

Somehow, Smil seems to have his mind split in two, he understands very well energy, thermodynamics, etc, but he is also an optimist about adaptation, and his critique of an early peak oil is, as other user said before, quite weak.

Nonetheless, I recommend his books and writings, although he seems to have a personal matter with Campbell, Simmons, et al...
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Re: Peak Oil is a "Catastrophist Cult"? New paper

Unread postby WebHubbleTelescope » Wed 28 Dec 2005, 12:17:19

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Antimatter', 'Y')ou can read Smil's article and others here:
http://home.cc.umanitoba.ca/~vsmil/publications_pdf.html


Anyone that writes even one article for http://TechCentralStation.com approaches zero credibility,
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Re: Peak Oil is a "Catastrophist Cult"? New paper

Unread postby malcomatic_51 » Wed 28 Dec 2005, 15:14:38

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('WebHubbleTelescope', '
')Anyone that writes even one article for http://TechCentralStation.com approaches zero credibility,


Why? I don't know the site well, but I noticed quite an interesting article about criticism of the IPCC. When I hear that there is "scientific consensus" on something that is clearly an immensely complex issue, with big data quality problems, then my suspicions are aroused. I have myself become an expert ina few fields that had been the preserve of supposedly professional academic researchers, and I can tell you that the intellectual corruption I found would make your hair stand on end. And this is just the tiny slots I happen to have become immersed in. Scientists are just as prone as the next person to ignoring evidence they don't like, selecting evidence they do like, and absolutely refusing to accept they might be other than absolutely correct. Doctors are especially pig-headed in this regard. Doesn't fill you with confidence.
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Re: Peak Oil is a "Catastrophist Cult"? New paper

Unread postby rsch20 » Wed 28 Dec 2005, 17:43:14

when do I get my sneakers?
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Re: Peak Oil is a "Catastrophist Cult"? New paper

Unread postby MicroHydro » Wed 28 Dec 2005, 17:56:17

Certainly PO has the same sort of psychological appeal as the rapture and other models of TEOTWAWKI in our lifetimes that might save us from the horrors of dealing with the mundane medical and economic problems of old age.

Big differences. PO is heterodox. There are many prophets, but no cult leaders. Nobody has asked me to give up all my money and move to the cult compound in South America. Nobody is pouring kool aid. If someone decides to stop following PO, they aren't kidnapped and dragged back to the compound.
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