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THE Electric Vehicle (EV) Thread pt 16

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Re: THE Electric Vehicle (EV) Thread pt 16

Unread postby theluckycountry » Fri 20 Jun 2025, 19:00:36

Just when you thought it couldn't get any worse, China, the mass EV producer and mass EV consumer is rolling over :?

China Auto Industry On Verge Of Collapse As Six Major Cities Run Out Of Car-Buying Subsidies
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'R')ecall, in late May we reported that a historic price war had broken out in China, one where the world's largest maker of EVs, BYD, had just cut prices by 34% in a desperate attempt to capture market share and put its competitors out of business (while unleashing a deflationary global shockwave that would crush EV makers around the globe)... According to Reuters, at least six cities and municipalities across China have suspended trade-in subsidies for car buyers in June, which could grind to a halt most if not all new car sales in the world's second-biggest economy.
https://www.zerohedge.com/markets/china ... -subsidies

Europe Admits "Trump Is Right", China Is The Problem As Beijing Unleashes Global EV Dump
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'I')n the latest shock to millions of TDS afflicted so-called "economists" and "experts", during a session on the global economy at the G-7 summit in Kananaskis, Canada, EU Commission President Ursula von der Leyen admitted that, yes, "Donald is right" on China, as she slammed Beijing for disrupting global trade with subsidies to boost its own companies - accusing the CCP of "weaponizing" its leading position in the production and refinement of raw materials used for cars, batteries and wind turbines.
https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/ ... al-ev-dump

Brazil, no small market.
https://www.reuters.com/business/financ ... 025-06-19/

This is how a financial bubble pops folks, you're watching it play out in real time. It's how a futuristic dream vanishes when it meets the reality of resource depletion. They should have done the great transition under Carter in the 1970's, then at least they would have all the easily recyclable Lead available at the end of it. Now all they have are tens of millions of toxic Lipos slabs that for all practical purposes can't be recycled. Into the landfill with everything else.
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Re: THE Electric Vehicle (EV) Thread pt 16

Unread postby AdamB » Fri 20 Jun 2025, 20:55:57

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('AgentR11', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('theluckycountry', 'I')'d like to know how many of those "close to home" holidays involve EV owners and their range anxiety? It's a well known fact that EV owners just don't travel vacation by car because the charging infrastructure (broken promises) never panned out.


I doubt the number of EV-only households is sufficient to have an impact on nationwide vacation travel preferences.


That's a really nice way of saying what it obvious to all of us...the Parrot is REALLY full of shit about every time he posts something.
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Re: THE Electric Vehicle (EV) Thread pt 16

Unread postby AdamB » Fri 20 Jun 2025, 20:58:02

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('theluckycountry', 'J')ust when you thought it couldn't get any worse, China, the mass EV producer and mass EV consumer is rolling over :?
https://www.zerohedge.com/markets/china ... -subsidies

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Re: THE Electric Vehicle (EV) Thread pt 16

Unread postby theluckycountry » Sat 21 Jun 2025, 03:27:13

:lol: :lol:

2003 was PeakEV

Some stories from then.

Finding an electric vehicle charging station shouldn't be a scavenger hunt:
Detroit Free Press
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'I') get emails regularly from readers saying they’ll never buy an electric vehicle because there’s no place nearby to charge it. They’re nearly always wrong, but it’s not their fault: The electric vehicle charging industry does a miserable job letting people know where to find chargers.

“People are largely unaware of the existing EV charging infrastructure,” said John Voelcker, a journalist and analyst specializing in electric vehicles. “There are literally tens of thousands of public charging stations now, soon to be hundreds of thousands.

Looks like their fear were justified thanks to the Lies of the Biden Harris regime. And that was the good news :lol: Not all American's are stupid, just a small percentage, some of which found there way here to peakoil.com
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'U')SA TODAY
Electrifying the car market may be getting more difficult, with the share of Americans who say they’re “very unlikely” to consider an EV for their next vehicle purchase growing in each of the first three months of the year, according to a new report.

In March, 21% of new-vehicle shoppers said they were “very unlikely” to consider an EV, up from 18.9% in February and 17.8% in January, consumer analytics firm JD Power said in a monthly EV report. In contrast, the percentage of car shoppers who say they are “very likely” to consider an EV was 26.9% in March, largely flat this year.

Persistent worries about charging infrastructure and vehicle pricing’s dampening enthusiasm, the report said. EV’s market share of all new-vehicle sales dropped to 7.3% in March, down from a record high of 8.5% in February but up from 2.6% in February 2020.


But Why didn't they want them?
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'W')hy aren’t people more interested in EVs?

The lack of public charging infrastructure and price have consistently topped the reasons for the past 10 months, JD Power said. Other reasons people cited for not wanting to buy an EV: range anxiety; time required to charge; power outage and grid concerns; lack of servicers for repairs and maintenance; and inadequate performance in extreme temperatures.


Well looking at that list, could you have blamed them? But the EVidiots wouldn't have a bar of it, they kept following each other over the cliff like Lemmings and still do.

A part of the problem is Faked scientific papers. Of which the EV for Profit industry put out its fair share.
Trust The “Science”…That Just Retracted 11,000 “Peer Reviewed” Papers
https://kleanindustries.com/insights/ma ... ed-papers/
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Re: THE Electric Vehicle (EV) Thread pt 16

Unread postby AdamB » Sat 21 Jun 2025, 11:43:30

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('theluckycountry', '
')A part of the problem is Faked scientific papers. Of course, us parrots can't read them, and wouldn't understand them if we could, but we can certainly parrot them!
https://kleanindustries.com/insights/ma ... ed-papers/


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Re: THE Electric Vehicle (EV) Thread pt 16

Unread postby theluckycountry » Sat 21 Jun 2025, 15:49:32

They just can't give up
Why India’s Budding EV Sector Has Opened Its Doors To China and why it doesn't matter...
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', '
')For decades, China has driven the lion’s share of oil demand growth thanks to its remarkable economic boom and large population. However, China is now losing its prominence in global oil markets due to a dramatic slowdown in its economy coupled with the country’s ongoing electric vehicle revolution. Last year, nearly half of all new cars sold in China were electric vehicles, including both battery-electric and plug-in hybrid electric vehicles. Indeed, China's rapid adoption of EVs, as well as rapid growth of high-speed rail and natural gas trucks, is displacing traditional fossil fuel demand, with the International Energy Agency (IEA) predicting that China's oil demand will peak as early as 2027.

Ironically, the country that is taking over China’s mantle in world oil markets is also aspiring to follow in its EV footsteps: India. Unlike China, India’s EV sector is still at its infancy, with electric vehicles accounting for just 2.5% of all cars sold in the country in 2024. (including gasoline ones of course) However, India has big EV ambitions, with the Indian government having set a target for EVs to make up 30% of total passenger vehicle sales by 2030. To accomplish this, India’s EV sector is forging close ties with Chinese EV manufacturers at a time when Washington has been keeping Chinese EV giants at bay. India is relying on Chinese EV tech to bridge the gap until the domestic sector is ready to compete on the global stage.

Industry analysts note that without access to Chinese technologies—including batteries, drivetrain components, and EV software—India would likely face slower product rollouts, limited model variety, and higher costs during its growth phase. This marks a clear pivot from just a few years ago, when India restricted the operations of firms like BYD and banned popular Chinese apps such as TikTok and Shein after deadly clashes at the border.
https://oilprice.com/Energy/Energy-Gene ... China.html

So the whole world has turned it's back on the BEV in favor of the "transition" Gas-powered hybrid and now india wants to go deepseek EV? From China? Whose whole industry is collapsing? The peoples of both nations are actually quite poor, there is just a minority middleclass that can afford new cars anyway, the rest grub away in industrial squalor or in call centers, nothing like in the West where nearly anyone can afford a car (Britain aside)

The Great Meme for decades now was that the people's of these nations would all rise up and be like us. But unfortunately to be like "us" you have to have got started early when oil was cheap and you had to have been able to exploit third world nations, like we did to them. For them to be like us they will need a lot of cheap energy (no longer available) and they will need a lot of poor people in other nations to make all the stuff they are making now at cheap prices. The latter doesn't exist either, and what pockets of exploitable humanity there is are already controlled by the West, or totally worthless like Africa. Africa is very rich in resources but not human capital capable of being domesticated into factory production. At least not willingly as the rest of the third world has.

This exploitation has morphed from outright slavery to on the ground Western controlled factories and farms paying slave wages, to the current model where they are totally independent and sovereign but have been assured that if they enslave themselves for a few decades they will enjoy the Western model of prosperity. Poor Africans get a taste of this with the endless shipping containers of old cloths that arrive on their shores. Did you think they actually bought all those brand named cloths new? No, they are Western throwaways, thrift shop surplus, dead people's clothes the Africans call them.

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/wL5U2P8o5c0
https://daryo.uz/en/2023/08/26/ugandas- ... e-industry
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Re: THE Electric Vehicle (EV) Thread pt 16

Unread postby theluckycountry » Sat 21 Jun 2025, 15:59:51

:lol:
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$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'O')n Sept.10 President Yoweri Museveni revealed that some American cloth manufacturing companies have cancelled orders of textiles from Uganda because of the Anti-Homosexual Act (AHA) he signed into law in late May. “The homosexuals in the US are interfering with our export of textiles. Some of the orders have been cancelled by the homosexuals there,” the president said while presiding at the commissioning of members of the Uganda Prisons Services at the Kololo Ceremonial Grounds in Kampala.

Uganda is reported to annually export about U.S$200 million worth of textiles and apparels to the U.S under the African Growth and Opportunity Act (AGOA).
https://www.independent.co.ug/the-naked ... d-clothes/

They are an example of a nation that enslaved itself to produce product for the West and in return we send them used junk. Their product is cheap for us because we use currency manipulation and capital manipulation to suppress the prices. For the factories to function at all they need a very cheap labor force. Unions need not apply. The EV, being what it is relies a lot on these cheap imports. From cobalt mined by hand by children to lithium extracted cheaply from third world places like Bolivia. Take these "subsidies" away and they are simply not economically feasible. As has been evident by the collapse of sales.
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Re: THE Electric Vehicle (EV) Thread pt 16

Unread postby AdamB » Sat 21 Jun 2025, 16:39:22

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('theluckycountry', ':')lol:
The naked truth about American used-clothes
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', ' ')Some Americans wear used clothes
https://www.independent.co.ug/the-naked ... d-clothes/

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Re: THE Electric Vehicle (EV) Thread pt 16

Unread postby theluckycountry » Sat 21 Jun 2025, 19:34:52

You better be careful what you say adam, the old breed is out to get you for your lies.

Obama Demands A Ministry Of Truth
Former President Barack Obama is doubling down on his push to curb free speech in America, urging the federal government to tighten its grip on what citizens can say online.
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Re: THE Electric Vehicle (EV) Thread pt 16

Unread postby AdamB » Sat 21 Jun 2025, 20:49:48

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('theluckycountry', 'Y')ou better be careful what you say adam, the old breed is out to get you for your lies.

See, I am particular about lies, and dealing with liars online. Obviously, people can just make up any nonsense they like and say it online, you for example, pretending to know what a "tight track" feels like, having never been on one in your life.

But I've always found it best to stick to the truth, even if I don't want to include enough details to be outed. This comes from having made a mistake once, a long time ago while mentioning an international confernence that my work was involved with, and someone matching up some other details to make an accurate guess as to who I was.

Nowadays, with peak oil having turned into a nothing burger, and my involvement in solving that problem now being old news, it isn't really worth revisiting, and I am less sensitive to kicking out personal details.

I feel sorry that you have no personal details worth mentioning, things you are proud of, professional accomplishments that might draw the likes of CSIRO to you from the opposite side of the planet....but that is just the way things are.

You had a life and career of some sort, without needing even a high school education. Good for you, doing good enough to not wind up homeless in your retirement years. Me? CSIRO still has my number. As do others. I found the Brit Geological Survey folks quite informed as well. I did like your countrymen though...obviously they were far more educated and intelligent than you, you come across as repetitive bore who can't think your way out of a wet paper bag.

And the dog insults, what is that supposed to be about? Is it like a super-duper insult in Australia or are you just so stupid and unoriginal its the best you can do?
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Re: THE Electric Vehicle (EV) Thread pt 16

Unread postby careinke » Sat 21 Jun 2025, 22:37:38

Hey AdamB,

After picking up my Tesla yesterday, I believe I know why you confused the display as LIDAR. It looks exactly like a LIDAR screen, after some digging I found out why. It seems the cameras are NOT limited to the human vision spectrum. These cameras cover from Infrared all the way to ultraviolet. 8O The AI then puts the picture together and that's what you see.

It does put color in, like orange traffic cones appear orange, traffic lights show the color displayed etc. If you subscribe to the premier FSD $10/mo or $100/year, which I do, you get even more features like: Satellite view, trip planning, all charge stations with available slots, prices, avoidance of features you do not want to cross like toll bridges, ferry's, position of police, and real time RADAR weather (so the AI can recalculate milage). You can also state the desired level of charge at your final destination (the lower the charge, the faster they charge).

Take your spouse on a test drive, I think both of you would enjoy it.

I'll continue to post updates as I learn them, or if you have questions feel free to ask. Heck, I'll even answer our Troll in Chiefs questions.

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Re: THE Electric Vehicle (EV) Thread pt 16

Unread postby AdamB » Sun 22 Jun 2025, 16:15:52

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('careinke', 'H')ey AdamB,

After picking up my Tesla yesterday, I believe I know why you confused the display as LIDAR. It looks exactly like a LIDAR screen, after some digging I found out why. It seems the cameras are NOT limited to the human vision spectrum. These cameras cover from Infrared all the way to ultraviolet. 8O The AI then puts the picture together and that's what you see.


I'll take your word for it. I can only vouch for it being COOL. Looked like a great safety feature for any driver, in less than optimal visual conditions.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('careinke', '
')Take your spouse on a test drive, I think both of you would enjoy it.

The spouse has already driven Tesla's, the boss has a Model S. Don't know if it has the same type driving aid as the new ones, but she quite liked it. Which is why she wanted one. Only turned off, as apparently were some others, when politics got involved.

I couldn't care less. It allowed me to get a brand new Leaf for a fraction of the cost of a Tesla that does everything we wanted a new car for anyway. But the Leaf is a just a normal cage....the Tesla's have always been something more, and that is what attracted her. I just didn't like the price tag for just a cage.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('careinke', '
')I'll continue to post updates as I learn them, or if you have questions feel free to ask. Heck, I'll even answer our Troll in Chiefs questions.


I'm curious about any self driving/helpful driving features. While my Leaf has sensors all over the place, and little auto braking features if something jumps out in front of it, or it thinks you are backing into something, I'm betting the safety factor is far more integrated into a Tesla over my new Leaf.
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Re: THE Electric Vehicle (EV) Thread pt 16

Unread postby theluckycountry » Sun 22 Jun 2025, 21:19:21

EV Interest Hits 5-Year Low as Hybrids Surge
Enough said
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Re: THE Electric Vehicle (EV) Thread pt 16

Unread postby AgentR11 » Sun 22 Jun 2025, 21:39:24

Is that US, Auzzie, does it include China? Lots missing in the assertion there to know what you're talking about.
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Re: THE Electric Vehicle (EV) Thread pt 16

Unread postby theluckycountry » Sun 22 Jun 2025, 22:36:16

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('AgentR11', 'I')s that US, Auzzie, does it include China? Lots missing in the assertion there to know what you're talking about.


You'll have to go back and read the posts over the past 3 or so pages to see the full picture.
Or for that story, simply google the string, it will come up in the first result.
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Re: THE Electric Vehicle (EV) Thread pt 16

Unread postby AdamB » Sun 22 Jun 2025, 22:51:17

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('theluckycountry', 'E')V Interest Hits 5-Year Low as Hybrids Surge
Enough said


Indeed. Folks enjoying paying so much more per mile for fuel is quite a surprising financial decision. Sounds almost as silly as...you know....a human parrot.
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Re: THE Electric Vehicle (EV) Thread pt 16

Unread postby AdamB » Sun 22 Jun 2025, 22:53:51

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('theluckycountry', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('AgentR11', 'I')s that US, Auzzie, does it include China? Lots missing in the assertion there to know what you're talking about.


You'll have to go back and read the posts over the past 3 or so pages to see the full picture.
Or for that story, simply google the string, it will come up in the first result.


Indeed Agent. You see, parrots don't think, they just parrot something. And they can't remember worth squat what they parroted because...you know....they are just a parrot.
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Re: THE Electric Vehicle (EV) Thread pt 16

Unread postby AgentR11 » Mon 23 Jun 2025, 01:03:47

Googled it. Said US drivers. Not surprising given the lack of infrastructure buildout for them here. Still good for around town/commuting, especially with at-home charging. But considering our domestic oil production, it'll be a long time before we give the sticky stuff up en masse.

China is where the electrification action is happening though. EV's are very popular, even on the cheap end they still have the flashy software and electronics. Makes sense though, they can generate increasing electricity yields, far easier than they can increase their oil imports. Thus the different valuation of solar panels and wind turbines over there. Here they just eat into natural gas generation profits; over there they create supply that could not otherwise be produced. Thus the EV trend is different.
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Re: THE Electric Vehicle (EV) Thread pt 16

Unread postby theluckycountry » Mon 23 Jun 2025, 08:47:07

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('AgentR11', '.')..Still good for around town/commuting, especially with at-home charging.

Yes I have always said that, they have their niche, but it's very small. If it's one thing I know it's that people regard their cars as essential, it's a part of them and even in old age they fight like cats and dogs to keep their licenses and drive. It's freedom basically, and aside from a few total EVHeads the majority of younger people don't want to twist themselves into pretzels just to fit into the EV way of life.

Lets face it, we're Lazy, all us westerners are lazy in many regards compared to our ancestors. We want it Now and expect it to deliver. Things like limited range and limited recharging (and long waits) just don't fit into the Freedom mindset. Draw a set of concentric circles around a city and you have the inner city, with all its apartments, very hard to charge living in those, then the inner ring where people are mostly wealthy, and can afford two cars easily. The you have the outer ring and exurbs where people have to travel a lot, every day for work with limited onsite charging and expensive overnight charging. The exurbs are those developments of the last 15 odd years, crappy land that was passed over basically or little towns once far from the city that have exploded with the easy access of freeways passing by and now basically merging with the outer suburbs.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', '|') November 19, 2024 at 06:56 AM

The U.S. Census Bureau does not define the term “exurb.” But it thinks of them “as far outer suburbs of metro areas, and they often have a mix of urban and rural character.”

Exurbs are attracting attention now because they are among the nation’s fastest-growing communities, according to Census data, even though many are located “30, 40 and even more than 60 miles away from the largest city’s downtown.”
https://www.globest.com/2024/11/19/exur ... mmunities/

Cheap land, cheap homes for the working class etc.
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', '
')The population of Boulder, Colorado, was 108,250 at the 2020 census. The city is located in the Boulder metropolitan statistical area, which had a total population of 330,758 in 2020. Boulder is considered the principal city of this metro area

And 200,000 are in the outer regions defined above.

This is why we hit PeakEV, because everyone who could afford one, and whose lifestyle allowed it, had bought one. And probably quite a few who shouldn't have if you read the reports of buyers remorse. But they aren't the PC, they won't find themselves in every home. I think the PC did so well because it was home entertainment like the TV, a TV where you could shop, and gossip, and travel the world through youtube.
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Re: THE Electric Vehicle (EV) Thread pt 16

Unread postby AdamB » Mon 23 Jun 2025, 11:40:24

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('AgentR11', 'G')oogled it. Said US drivers. Not surprising given the lack of infrastructure buildout for them here. Still good for around town/commuting, especially with at-home charging. But considering our domestic oil production, it'll be a long time before we give the sticky stuff up en masse.


Dunno! Careinke sounds like he is happily in the fold with his new robot on wheels. I prefer the style of EV that is just like a regular cage, looks like a cage, has mostly cage controls (like doorhandles!) and I don't have to look down into the car to use some of the cool features. I heard that like cruide control fast/slow controls had been taken off some Tesla steering wheels and put on that screen? Careinke can fill us in. I'll take normal cage controls myself.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('AgentR11', '
')China is where the electrification action is happening though. EV's are very popular, even on the cheap end they still have the flashy software and electronics. Makes sense though, they can generate increasing electricity yields, far easier than they can increase their oil imports. Thus the different valuation of solar panels and wind turbines over there. Here they just eat into natural gas generation profits; over there they create supply that could not otherwise be produced. Thus the EV trend is different.


Oh boy. And if you are a cherry picking parrot, you don't even understand the basics of this as you just have with some googling. Parrots can't google either I guess?
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