Now in reality when I fly I have to lean forward (just so) and if the wind is right just step into the air - with less wind I have to get a running start. And I have to be up somewhere high,,,,
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by gnm » Sun 24 Apr 2005, 08:54:27
PMS - I had the same kind of flying dreams as a kid - a little lean forward (just so) and a few flaps to get going then I didn't really have to flap while flying except if I wanted to gain altitude.
Now in reality when I fly I have to lean forward (just so) and if the wind is right just step into the air - with less wind I have to get a running start. And I have to be up somewhere high,,,,
-I fly paragliders...
-G
Now in reality when I fly I have to lean forward (just so) and if the wind is right just step into the air - with less wind I have to get a running start. And I have to be up somewhere high,,,,
-I fly paragliders...
-G
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by RonMN » Sun 24 Apr 2005, 10:37:24
Specop...just out of curiosity can i get ya to read part of the last book of the bible (specifically the breaking of the 6th seal)??? it's only a few paragraphs long.
I'm curious to see if your dream was the same...but you have to read it a bit cryptically (ie., the stars fell to earth is either nukes or asteroids...the sky (heaven) was rolled up like a scroll is a dust cloud encircling the earth & blocking out the sun).
If i had a dream like that it would take me a good long while to get my head straight as well!!!
I'm curious to see if your dream was the same...but you have to read it a bit cryptically (ie., the stars fell to earth is either nukes or asteroids...the sky (heaven) was rolled up like a scroll is a dust cloud encircling the earth & blocking out the sun).
If i had a dream like that it would take me a good long while to get my head straight as well!!!
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by Rhinestones » Sun 24 Apr 2005, 11:53:26
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('killJOY', 'R')esearch it. Dreams are nothing.
Interpretation is a crock, just as literary theory is a crock.
"The meaning of your dream, my dear, is whatever I, The Interpreter, say it is."
Interpretation is a crock, just as literary theory is a crock.
"The meaning of your dream, my dear, is whatever I, The Interpreter, say it is."
So I should discount my personal experience then,
and trust your 'research'? an expert you believe while you deride the expert 'interpreter'?
LOL, one OUTside master for another!
I'm amused by the childlike defensive flailings by a number of our um, prolific new posters.
At any suggestion of a conscious reality outside the Dominant material Consciousness they come running! From across the internet to save the day!
Proclaiming the solidity of their worldview and demonizing any broader perspective or possibility.
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I suspect the magnitude of chaos and disorder required to open those closed hearts/minds would be so great
they would not choose to survive it.
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by Specop_007 » Sun 24 Apr 2005, 22:47:25
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('RonMN', 'S')pecop...just out of curiosity can i get ya to read part of the last book of the bible (specifically the breaking of the 6th seal)??? it's only a few paragraphs long.
I'm curious to see if your dream was the same...but you have to read it a bit cryptically (ie., the stars fell to earth is either nukes or asteroids...the sky (heaven) was rolled up like a scroll is a dust cloud encircling the earth & blocking out the sun).
If i had a dream like that it would take me a good long while to get my head straight as well!!!
I'm curious to see if your dream was the same...but you have to read it a bit cryptically (ie., the stars fell to earth is either nukes or asteroids...the sky (heaven) was rolled up like a scroll is a dust cloud encircling the earth & blocking out the sun).
If i had a dream like that it would take me a good long while to get my head straight as well!!!
Can do, but you need to tell me where its at. Like, the page number or whatever they use to reference certain parts of the bible.
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Abyss, the Abyss gazes also into you."
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by k_semler » Mon 25 Apr 2005, 00:21:00
Revelations 6:12-17
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('St. John', '
')12)And I beheld when he had opened the sixth seal, and, lo, there was a great earthquake; and the sun became black as sackcloth of hair, and the moon became as blood;
13)And the stars of heaven fell unto the earth, even as a fig tree casteth her untimely figs, when she is shaken of a mighty wind.
14)And the heaven departed as a scroll when it is rolled together; and every mountain and island were moved out of their places.
15)And the kings of the earth, and the great men, and the rich men, and the chief captains, and the mighty men, and every bondman, and every free man, hid themselves in the dens and in the rocks of the mountains;
16)And said to the mountains and rocks, Fall on us, and hide us from the face of him that sitteth on the throne, and from the wrath of the Lamb:
17)For the great day of his wrath is come; and who shall be able to stand?
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('St. John', '
')12)And I beheld when he had opened the sixth seal, and, lo, there was a great earthquake; and the sun became black as sackcloth of hair, and the moon became as blood;
13)And the stars of heaven fell unto the earth, even as a fig tree casteth her untimely figs, when she is shaken of a mighty wind.
14)And the heaven departed as a scroll when it is rolled together; and every mountain and island were moved out of their places.
15)And the kings of the earth, and the great men, and the rich men, and the chief captains, and the mighty men, and every bondman, and every free man, hid themselves in the dens and in the rocks of the mountains;
16)And said to the mountains and rocks, Fall on us, and hide us from the face of him that sitteth on the throne, and from the wrath of the Lamb:
17)For the great day of his wrath is come; and who shall be able to stand?
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Rest In Peace.
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by chargrove » Mon 25 Apr 2005, 06:14:41
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'I') suspect the magnitude of chaos and disorder required to open those closed hearts/minds would be so great they would not choose to survive it.
What a wonderful way to express it, and very very true. Well said.
I used to believe that dreams were just random brain activity, but that changed completely a few months ago. After visiting the Hopi reservation not long ago (during the course of a three-month road trip around the country; something I wanted to do before the gas prices skyrocketed), I did a little bit of exploration in the basics of Shamanism. This was something I always used to consider "New Age horsecrap" before (I always thought the only "shaman" you'd be likely to see anymore would be a 15-year-old geek playing one in Everquest), but for some reason I still felt I should keep my mind open and look into it this time. And I'm very glad I did, because my preconceptions were about to change very quickly.
For those who've never done Shamanic journeying or gone into similarly deep meditative states through other methods (something that gets your brain in a Theta state), it may be hard to understand, but once you go through this you look at dreaming with very different eyes. I'll try and explain.
I imagine most of you have had lucid dreams before (those dreams where you know you're dreaming). Usually a dream becomes lucid in mid-dream, like some event happens or some kind of mental trigger goes off and you suddenly realize "hey, I'm dreaming", and then you either wake up or you continue dreaming lucidly. If you do the latter, and you do this often enough, you're not just aware you're dreaming but you're actively able to control the dream from that point on, and cause otherwise "impossible" things to happen.
Now imagine entering the dream state, while being lucid from the get-go, with full control over the dream. Then, on top of that (to make things really interesting), imagine being in this state while still being 100% fully aware of your real body, laying down or sitting wherever it may be, relaxed but with all its senses still intact (although your eyes are closed so the visual information doesn't overlap). In other words, imagine being fully present in two places at once, one in the real world and the other in the "dream" world.
When you're doing Shamanic exploration, you're not only doing this, but you're also guiding where in the "dream" world you're going to go, via your intentions of what you intend to experience and/or do, and potentially what you intend to "bring back" with you (new knowledge, a new skill or personality change, etc). Intention is very, very important; never go into this alternate reality in this way without a clear intention or what you encounter could be harmful. In this strange place, there are "lower" worlds of the collective subconscious, "upper" worlds of the collective superconscious, and the "middle" world parallel to our waking reality that we never see the full extent of. All of the people you've ever heard of with "paranormal" abilities hang out in these places (for example a prophet gets knowledge from the "upper" world that connects all our higher selves and which is non-temporal, a clairvoyant can remote-view in the "middle" world which is just our reality but augmented and without physical restrictions, people can heal themselves through accessing their subconscious in the "lower" world to help eliminate stress and disease, etc).
Once you've started doing this, life takes on a strange twist where waking reality seems more dream-like, and dreaming becomes more "real". You end up lucid-dreaming more often and with greater control, and you "see" your waking world with a bit more clarity that is hard to describe, like your intuition is bumped up far more than it was previously.
I now fully believe that dreaming is just me exploring these other (very real) realms of existance while my physical body is repairing itself, but because I didn't enter these other realms with a clear intention, the intentions of my subconscious and/or superconscious are used instead (in the former case to bring out dreams/nightmares related to my memories and fears etc, and in the latter case to give "big picture" insights or precognitive visions/predictions).
From a biological standpoint it may be "random brain chatter", but under the surface no longer believe it's random at all.
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