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Re: Commuting and the mode of transport

Unread postby Plantagenet » Tue 10 Apr 2007, 13:34:23

Buffett, the 2nd richest man on the planet, has just made a big investment in US railroads.

Maybe he is reading these forums, and sees the potential for growth in the US rail system.
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Re: Commuting and the mode of transport

Unread postby Eli » Tue 10 Apr 2007, 13:51:01

I think that is exactly what Buffet is doing. I would bet he has had private conversations with Matt Simmons on many occasions.

If I were him I would also invest in barges which can carry more tonnage than even rail.
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Re: Commuting and the mode of transport

Unread postby smallpoxgirl » Tue 10 Apr 2007, 14:06:40

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Plantagenet', 'B')uffett, the 2nd richest man on the planet, has just made a big investment in US railroads.


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Re: Commuting and the mode of transport

Unread postby PrairieMule » Tue 10 Apr 2007, 14:25:38

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('smallpoxgirl', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Plantagenet', 'B')uffett, the 2nd richest man on the planet, has just made a big investment in US railroads.


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Only if in the near future we will use Parrots as currency.

Unfortunatley I don't think any overhaul in the american rail system would curb a hard landing in time. Any money invested now could help, but there is not enough to get rail where it should be.
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Re: Commuting and the mode of transport

Unread postby Eli » Tue 10 Apr 2007, 15:22:01

Well I agree a hard fall is impossible to stop at this point, we are in many ways done for.

But what would be truly awful is to have a hard fall and then keep spending US resources on subsidizing fuel costs and the auto industry.

I think we are likely to start throwing good money after bad on the down slope and that will only make things that much worse.
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Re: Commuting and the mode of transport

Unread postby smiley » Tue 10 Apr 2007, 15:50:03

I work at two locations. One is a mile away ,the other 8 miles. I always go by bike. My company even bought me a new bycicle.

My collegues who live further away usually commute by train. You get some car expenses paid, but unless you have an extremely efficent car, which doesn't need maintenance, it works out at a loss.

The big advantage of commuting by train for them is that you can deduct your traveling time from your working hours. Employers who spend a lot of time in the train can get a laptop and are supposed to work in the train.
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Re: Commuting and the mode of transport

Unread postby Plantagenet » Tue 10 Apr 2007, 15:55:23

Jimmy Buffet is pretty rich, but he isn't the second richest man on earth.

He is distantly related to the other very rich Buffett....
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Re: Commuting and the mode of transport

Unread postby gwmss15 » Wed 11 Apr 2007, 05:52:43

that's amazing that there is no fully double track rail line from coast to coast in the USA. for a country with 300 million people i would have expected most intercity rail lines to be double track look at the east and west coast lines mostly single line i bet with chronic track congestion.

In Australia some rail route have 3 or 4 lines just to cope with the demand. but we have alot of single line but there are very long distances between stations and only 22 million people in Australia.

but all the major cities are linked by rail some with 3 or 4 trips a day.

Who pays for the construction of railways in the USA?

State governments or National government. In Australia its mostly state governments

Does the USA suffer from break of gauge?

i.e. one state system having standard gauge and the other meter gauge. thus preventing through travel for both passenger and freight.

This is a Huge problem in Australia but rail still well used for example a train from Sydney cannot travel to any ware north of Brisbane due to the width of the rail track being 435 millimetres closer together in Queensland.

What is the average line speed and track condition in the USA on long distance routes?

In Australia it is 120 kph (70 mph) on long distance except in south west Western Australia and Queensland where it is up to 200 kph (120 mph).

Does the voting public make a big issue of mass transit and rail freight in the USA?

Mass transit is a headline creating issue in both rural and urban Australia. State Governments can win an election on this issue.

Just for peoples interest if they cannot picture the Australian rail network hear is a very good interactive map.

http://www.railpage.org.au/railmaps

To get a more detailed map click on one of the 7 states of Australia
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Re: Commuting and the mode of transport

Unread postby Newsseeker » Wed 11 Apr 2007, 10:56:29

I am a college student and I take the bus. It's a good 3/4 of a mile walk there and then a little wait. All-in-all not a bad ride for a dollar twenty five and I get a little exercise as well. I must be honest and say that where I live public transportation is not developed. When I lived in China they had buses going every which way but here you have to be very lucky to live near a bus stop. Such is life. Once PO hits hopefully this will change.
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Re: Commuting and the mode of transport

Unread postby emersonbiggins » Wed 11 Apr 2007, 11:52:00

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('gwmss15', 'W')ho pays for the construction of railways in the USA?


Typically, this is done by the railway companies themselves. They do have certain condemnation powers to obtain ROWs, but can only expand as fast as they can raise capital. Enter Buffett, I suppose.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('gwmss15', 'D')oes the USA suffer from break of gauge?


Not that I'm aware of. The U.S. currently has around 142,000 miles of standard-gauge track.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('gwmss15', 'D')oes the voting public make a big issue of mass transit and rail freight in the USA?


On the national level, there are grassroots efforts and a token mention as part of the ISTEA national plan, but (like most other mandates), high-speed rail remains largely unfunded.

In some cities, there has been a resurgence in interest in light-rail transit, and even in Western and Sunbelt cities like Dallas, Denver, and Salt Lake City, systems that were built/are being built in the last 10 years or so are quite popular, and are exceeding all ridership projections. Dallas' system averages 64,000 riders per day, and is expected to expand from two to four lines by 2013, with service to DFW airport. I've witnessed firsthand the impact on development in Dallas, where mixed-use is the name of the game, usually with a minimum of 4-6 stories. Some streets in Dallas remind me of Paris. Seriously. :wink:
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Re: Commuting and the mode of transport

Unread postby gwmss15 » Wed 11 Apr 2007, 11:59:28

having a uniform rail gauge should increase freight volumes as no break of gauge transfers are needed.

So the USA railways are 100% private this is where the problem lies they don't have the money to expanded there network or double track and electrify the railways. This where the National or State govts step in and this is where the voters bring up the issue at election time with the media's help.

Australian railways are a mix of private and govt owned the ROW is govt owned.
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Re: Commuting and the mode of transport

Unread postby emersonbiggins » Wed 11 Apr 2007, 12:47:01

Texas passed a resolution last year that will fund the relocation of freight lines out of urban areas, so that the track ROW can be used for passenger/commuter railways. It's all part of the Trans-Texas Corridor mess, and that's being hit pretty hard right now in the Senate. Inevitably, it will be better to get the freight (most is NAFTA anyways) out of cities on double-track ROWs, and might negate building new toll road lanes for freight, which is the plan right now.
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Re: Commuting and the mode of transport

Unread postby PrairieMule » Wed 11 Apr 2007, 13:00:58

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('emersonbiggins', 'T')exas passed a resolution last year that will fund the relocation of freight lines out of urban areas, so that the track ROW can be used for passenger/commuter railways. It's all part of the Trans-Texas Corridor mess, and that's being hit pretty hard right now in the Senate. Inevitably, it will be better to get the freight (most is NAFTA anyways) out of cities on double-track ROWs, and might negate building new toll road lanes for freight, which is the plan right now.


Ah yes, the trans texas corridor. Well EB, I imagine we will see a new"Hybrid" method of transportation comming soon to haul both people and freight. I know it's technically not a train but rather a very loose interpretation of a train, it's the right spin based on cultural awareness. That's ok in this day and age some folks have different interpretations of the word "is".

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Re: Commuting and the mode of transport

Unread postby Kingcoal » Wed 11 Apr 2007, 17:48:47

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('gwmss15', 'h')aving a uniform rail gauge should increase freight volumes as no break of gauge transfers are needed.

So the USA railways are 100% private this is where the problem lies they don't have the money to expanded there network or double track and electrify the railways. This where the National or State govts step in and this is where the voters bring up the issue at election time with the media's help.

Australian railways are a mix of private and govt owned the ROW is govt owned.


Amtrak is government owned. Amtrak station map: Link

The northeast in the US has probably the most local passenger rail. Chicago has a lot also. For example, SEPTA railmap for Philadelphia: Link Note in this rail system that all the close suburbs have comprehensive rail access to the city. This rail system was built before the automobile age.

The rest of the country, where all the growth has been for the last 40 years, has little or none. Most of the cities in the south have no local passenger rail. You see, the problem is not really with inter-city rail, it's with local commuter rail. For most people in the US, the train/subway/trolley can't get them to work. This was due to the suburbanization of the US since 1950. The only option that most people have in the US is to drive.
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Commuter cat

Unread postby Twilight » Wed 14 Nov 2007, 14:09:50

One British cat commutes 1.5 miles daily... in an SUV.

Good for a laugh.

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Re: Commuter cat

Unread postby kadoomsoon » Wed 14 Nov 2007, 20:12:49

Cat has the woman well trained.
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Gubinator endures three hour commute

Unread postby TheDude » Wed 12 Mar 2008, 00:02:51

In a jet. Like the song says, Eat the Rich.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'S')ACRAMENTO -- -- Like many of the Californians he represents, Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger now spends more than three hours commuting because he lives so far from the office.

But his ride is a private jet.

After flirting briefly with buying a Sacramento abode for his family, then living alone for a while in a 2,000-square-foot hotel penthouse across from the Capitol, the governor has decided to stay nearly every night at his Brentwood mansion.

The commute costs hundreds of thousands of dollars a year, which aides say the governor pays for himself. Some environmentalists say the trips expand his carbon footprint enough to undermine his image as a crusader against global warming, despite the pollution credits he buys to offset the damage.


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Re: Gubinator endures three hour commute

Unread postby seldom_seen » Wed 12 Mar 2008, 01:12:41

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'S')ome environmentalists say the trips expand his carbon footprint enough to undermine his image as a crusader against global warming, despite the pollution credits he buys to offset the damage.

"pollution credits" Since when do you get credit for pollution?

"his image as a crusader against global warming" Image? What image? huh? Who writes this shit? I feel like I've been mind raped.
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How much time do you spend commuting?

Unread postby Starvid » Fri 05 Sep 2008, 03:21:53

And how far from your job do live?

I have about 2,5 km to where I work (or really study) which takes about 12 minutes on the bike, though it includes a damn steep hill at the end.

About three or four times a week I work (yeah, study there too) at another place further away which takes 20-25 minutes to reach by bike so it is around 5 km as the bird flies.

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Re: How much time do you spend commuting?

Unread postby davep » Fri 05 Sep 2008, 07:56:38

10 hours per weekend. 1100km round trip. During the week, it's only about 7km to the office. It's killing me...
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