[Zardoz]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('PenultimateManStanding', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Zardoz', '
')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('PMS', '.')..the point...

[PenultimateManStanding]

poetic, tragic, indeed. Look at it from a cosmic view. If you could have been born in a different century, would you? Another thing, given what we all expect to happen, can you imagine what someone like Benjamin Franklin would have thought? Back before I realized all this, I used to think, 'wow, what if those old time folks could have known what the future held in store!' Now I'm stunned.

[dinopello]

You guys that think the car is the way to a girls heart might be like this guy from Uncle Buck...

You like all-terrain vehicles?

[PenultimateManStanding]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('dinopello', 'Y')ou guys that think the car is the way to a girls heart might be like this guy from Uncle Buck...

You like all-terrain vehicles?

[dinopello]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('PenultimateManStanding', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('dinopello', 'Y')ou guys that think the car is the way to a girls heart might be like this guy from Uncle Buck...

You like all-terrain vehicles?

[PenultimateManStanding]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('dinopello', ' ')
If I had kids, I probably would be worried about their future, but that is regardless of PO.

[dinopello]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('PenultimateManStanding', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('dinopello', ' ')
If I had kids, I probably would be worried about their future, but that is regardless of PO.

[oowolf]

Gawd! In addition to being unnecessary, wasteful, polluting, and just plain stupid, cars are getting REALLY UGLY.

This was a good-looking car:
http://www.chicagoclassiccars.com/inven ... P16&show=2

[Zardoz]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('oowolf', '.')..This was a good-looking car...

[DeepOil]

Great article with frequent mention of peak oil and the unsustainability of our current motoring way of life (Sounds like Kunstler). The car makers know what's coming, that's for sure!

http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid= ... refer=home

[frankthetank]

Guy sounds like he might visit this site. I like these parts...$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', ' ')The environmental desecration at Fort McMurray and the dangers in petroleum-rich countries such as Iraq and Saudi Arabia show why it's foolish to brush off warnings about an energy-depleted future, says Jan Kreider, an engineering professor at the University of Colorado at Boulder who had Reinert as a graduate student.

``We're going to have to have crisis on top of crisis before energy policies change,'' he says. ``Americans have this shock mentality where they do what they want to do for as long as they can and then set up massive programs to fix everything in a few years.''

So far, Americans are embracing small steps such as switching to fluorescent light bulbs. Meanwhile, at Fort McMurray's pit mines, it takes 2 tons of sand, 250 gallons (947 liters) of water and 1,400 cubic feet (39.6 cubic meters) of natural gas to produce one barrel of synthetic crude, says Peter Wells, director of research firm Neftex Petroleum Consultants Ltd. in Abingdon, England.

That's enough water for a day's use for a U.S. family of four and enough natural gas for 5.6 days. The gas is burned to power a process that extracts a tarry substance called bitumen from the sand and then refines it into synthetic crude. In turn, each barrel generates as much as 110 kilograms (240 pounds) of carbon dioxide equivalents, the same as refining three barrels of traditional light crude.

Schlepping Sand ``When you're schlepping around two tons of sand for a barrel of crude, it shows that conventional oil is already well into depletion,'' says Jeffrey Rubin, chief economist at CIBC World Markets Inc. in Toronto. ``Price will ultimately ration demand. People won't be able to afford to drive.''

[dub_scratch]

Ending the oil addiction means ending the car addiction.... Period. Ending the oil addiction means putting Toyota out of business. Any second act to the mass car culture-- be-it electric, biofueled or fuel-celled-- will be just as unsustainable as the current regime. And the effort to convert the propulsion means would be a tragic waste of resources.

[frankthetank]

The future of transportation is bicycles and walking shoes. Maybe if you can afford it a horse, if it hasn't been shot for meat

[Tyler_JC]

And yet an electrified transportation grid would actual reduce greenhouse gas emissions because electric motors are simply so much more efficient than internal combustion engines.

As oil prices change consumer preferences, we are going to see smaller, more efficient cars and less waste.

Burning oil for transportation is a serious waste of a great chemical feedstock.

[dub_scratch]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Tyler_JC', 'A')nd yet an electrified transportation grid would actual reduce greenhouse gas emissions because electric motors are simply so much more efficient than internal combustion engines.

[kublikhan]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('dub_scratch', ' ')Is it really more efficient when you consider the energy losses when burning of coal at the powerplant and transmitting the electricity to the EV? Comparing efficiency that way does not make the EV much better than the ICE.

[aflurry]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('dub_scratch', 'A')ny second act to the mass car culture-- be-it electric, biofueled or fuel-celled-- will be just as unsustainable as the current regime.

[aflurry]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Tyler_JC', 'A')nd yet an electrified transportation grid would actual reduce greenhouse gas emissions because electric motors are simply so much more efficient than internal combustion engines.
As oil prices change consumer preferences, we are going to see smaller, more efficient cars and less waste. Burning oil for transportation is a serious waste of a great chemical feedstock.

[heroineworshipper]

Priuses were big last year, but since credit became free again and people got used to $3.50 gas, the SUV's are back.