[Fergus]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('rwwff', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('NEOPO', 'N')ope its just you Rwwff
How about moving the entire kitchen into the garage or having a summer kitchen with a grill and an awning/roof etc etc?

[gego]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('sert', '
')
or is our consumerist way of life so important that we really can't see life without oil?

[SILENTTODD]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('rwwff', '
')Those other doodads are out there already. Any long hard boil/fry I do outside of the A/C controlled space. I will fry an egg inside... The oven does still remain inside for now.

In addition to the nice effect of not boiling the house in the middle of an East Texas summer, it also means I can fry really smelly things without stinking up the house; take a frozen chimichanga/burrito thing, wave it to make the middle warm, then throw it in two inches of hot oil. Delicious. Must be done outside however.

[rwwff]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('SILENTTODD', 'R')WWFF, you need to learn about Solar Ovens! You are in the perfect region (Texas) to take advantage of this limitless resource. I would recommend this lady’s website as a starter

[SILENTTODD]

As a side note, the SunOven brand I bought, does get up to 400 degrees Fahrenheit in the afternoon sun (more than enough to bake anything without setting it on fire). An experimental model I built based on the website I linked, got up to 370 degrees F. I believe the lower temp difference was because I was using aluminum foil and not true mirrored surfaces like the SunOven has. I plan of building another one with fiberglass insulation and Mylar or mirror reflectors to see if I can equal or exceed the temperature I get with the SunOven.

And of course you can fry things with a parabolic reflector like this one-

http://www.solarsizzler.com/products.html

Works very will (wear sunglasses when your frying!). This one is relatively cheap, but you could even put together one from numerous other links on the web showing how to do it.

[RonMN]

rwwff...I find you solution perfectly acceptable (moving the oven to the garage)...but dealing with people who wont even "consider" the matter...

If they're not willing to NOT use the oven while the AC is running...do you really think they'd consider moving the oven to the garage??? you might as well ask a person to eat a handfull of dirt.

[rwwff]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('RonMN', 'I')f they're not willing to NOT use the oven while the AC is running...do you really think they'd consider moving the oven to the garage??? you might as well ask a person to eat a handfull of dirt.

[PraireRanger]

Like a herion addict, society will have to be strapped to a bed and fed through a tube while they scream, vomit, perspire, and gnash teeth... Unfortunately, I think that society will more than likely die before it gives up its addiction.

[Stargazer]

For the moment, society won't give up its addiction to oil because they're just not noticing the price of it. Price of fuel going up? The sheep just shrug and say, "Put it on the credit card."

I'm out of debt, but boy, does it drive home the message that a lot of things are unaffordable when you're watching actual money flow out of your wallet. I'm already using public transport for most things.

I'd like to see what happens if fuel goes up much more, and the banks carry out their threat to raise interest rates again to curb inflation. Society may be forced to go cold turkey sooner than they think when they're maxed out already and find their flexible "friend" won't flex any more.

[elocs]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('SILENTTODD', 'A')s a side note, the SunOven brand I bought, does get up to 400 degrees Fahrenheit in the afternoon sun (more than enough to bake anything without setting it on fire).

[SILENTTODD]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('elocs', '
')I've been using my SunOven since last March and I have not been able to get it past 325 degrees. I wonder if that is just because I am in Wisconsin? It has worked beautifully though and I have been able to bake whatever I have liked with it. I may just check out that Solar Sizzler though--looks interesting.

[elocs]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('SILENTTODD', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('elocs', '
')I've been using my SunOven since last March and I have not been able to get it past 325 degrees. I wonder if that is just because I am in Wisconsin? It has worked beautifully though and I have been able to bake whatever I have liked with it. I may just check out that Solar Sizzler though--looks interesting.

[Iaato]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('pstarr', '
')Petroleum also becomes gasoline, steel, and plastic, and you are surrounded by the Ultimate Speed-Trinket (UST). Like some 21st century peasant or super-evolved chimpanzee you can purchases high fashion, slick engineering, and especially speed and power buy merely pushing the Buy Button. (bb) Like a pigeon in front of a feeding chute all you have to do is peck peck peck and the satisfaction is guaranteed.

How would you get clean and go straight?

[Bas]

My screen name is Bas and I'm a petroholic

[lateralus]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('pstarr', ' ')Maybe my last before the keys are taken away forever

[NEOPO]

Hi,
My name is NEOPO and I'm addicted to petroleum

Like many of you I have struggled with my addiction for years and have only recently been able to realize the depths of my addiction and the extent of the things that reinforce it.

A sad but seemingly true reality when one first realizes that they are just as much to blame for war, famine, starvation, peak oil, what ya got? et al. as the next person.
We are all guilty to some degree or another and the majority in complete denial of this guilt.

No, in most cases we dont actually pull the trigger and we dont give the orders but we do continue to do the things that keep those who do in power.
One of the most prevailing ways in which we condone all of these things is to continue simply doing what we are doing and of course saying nothing about anything that may put it into question.

I digress from this digression and would like to simply say what I/we are doing according to our newfound moralistic principalia.

Ecovillage and all that it entails.
They say if you want to learn something fluently that total immersion is best.

We do not hear any brighter ideas being proposed and we do not see any better examples being set.

In a short amount of time we will be diving in and I will make it a point to return here and let everyone know just how the water is with hope that our enlightened experiences will provoke others to forget their fears and take the plunge also.

We can and we will - the only real question is - what are you going to do?

We all have a choice to make and we make it bit by bit wether we realize it our not.
Die at some later date filled with remorse for all the things you knew you should have done but did not do OR die knowing you did everything in your power for peace, for justice, for fairness and equality, for your children and theirs and theirs and theirs, for the future of this world, for humanities future upon it, for as long as it remains.
At this time I hear no greater calling.

Tones Of Home
"what do you think they would say if we stood up and we walked away?"

[dinopello]

So, this is the thread where if you say you aren't addicted to petroleum, all the admitted junkies jump all over you ?

OK, I can play along.

I, dinopello am addicted to petroleum. I like my port from Portugal, and my olive oil from Italy. Good beer and wine I can get right here in ole Virginie though ... aggh but the grain and grapes were fertilized with petroleum, damn!

Let's see - I like my music, can't play an instrument so I am addicted to those gizmos made of petroleum that let you listen to stored music made by others - and I like it loud with thousands of watts for that live concert feel. On the other hand, I'd rather walk to the nearest pub and watch the bands live - but their instruments are made of petroleum and there is still the amplifiers using power ...

I just wish we could get over the addiction to always have to go somewhere else to do all the things we want to do. Just put the things you need and want to do close enough to walk to. Then, we could use the precious drug petroleum to grow the grapes and grains for wine and beer a little bit longer...

edit: And I voted that Beauty is Everywhere, cause it is.

[PenultimateManStanding]

As a 52 year old American citizen I know that my life has been lived in a bubble. The whole society around me is dependent on an energy through-put that will soon no longer be possible. Even the music that has charmed me throbs to the beat of the internal combustion engine. All of this world has been an enormous mistake. I can guess why it was made. What a thrill, huh? Narcotic indeed. I am under no illusions that I can run and hide in an eco village. Perhaps local efforts will be made and I will try to help. I was born here and I'll die here. We'll see what happens.