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Re: Russia-Ukraine newsline/Freedom of speech

Postby Withnail » Mon 09 Feb 2015, 09:08:19

Pravy Sektor destroys Lenin statue in Krivoy Rog, after previous attempt was blocked by local police.

http://news-front.info/2015/02/09/krivo ... andum-dnr/

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Re: Russia-Ukraine newsline/Freedom of speech

Postby dissident » Mon 09 Feb 2015, 09:28:37

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Withnail', 'P')ravy Sektor destroys Lenin statue in Krivoy Rog, after previous attempt was blocked by local police.

http://news-front.info/2015/02/09/krivo ... andum-dnr/

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Re: Russia-Ukraine newsline/Freedom of speech

Postby dissident » Mon 09 Feb 2015, 09:29:48

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http://fortruss.blogspot.ca/2015/02/wha ... iding.html

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'W')hat's inside in the Debaltsevo cauldron? Why did the leaders of Europe rush to Russia?

Admittedly, when "the mousetrap" began to shut, everyone began to shout about the need... the need of what? Oh, about the need to follow the Minsk agreements..

The "Debaltsevo cauldron" was intended as a "Debaltsevo springboard" to start a victorious attack on DPR and LPR. In this regard, huge quantities of weapons, ammunition and food was brought to this area. This was confirmed by the militia after the capture of Uglegorsk. They got arsenals overflowing with weapons and warehouses with American food.

To foolishly lose such volume of weapons and "illegal American aid" for tens and hundreds of millions of dollars, and then to beg for the "ultimate weapon to defeat Putin" - this is the height of idiocy and helplessness of senior command.

Likely for this reason, to rehabilitate themselves in the eyes of sponsors, the Ukrainian offensive started today on all fronts at once, and with a simultaneous request for a truce...

It is a madhouse, and not a government and a General staff! They are so unpredictable, that honestly, it's laughable! And yet, there are theories that in the arsenals of Debaltsevo one will find phosphorous and cluster shells and bombs, banned by international conventions, but used by the Ukrainian armed forces during the shelling of cities and towns. This could be evidence of war crimes...
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Re: Russia-Ukraine newsline/Freedom of speech

Postby radon1 » Mon 09 Feb 2015, 11:09:40

http://vk.com/strelkov_info?w=wall-57424472_45561

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$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'T')oday at 17:20 (local time)

9.2.15. Report by Ministry of Transport of the Donetsk Republic.

"Ukrainian act of terror on Donetsk Railway.

Today, February 9, a mortar attack of Ukrainian forces killed a brigade of workers of the Donetsk railway. According to the Ministry of Transport of the Donetsk Republic, Ukrainian forces at the checkpoint on Skotovataya station opened mortar fire aimed at the railway repair team - 3 people were killed and two seriously injured. In connection with this incident, we can conclude that the Ukrainian forces have a task to destroy the infrastructure and prevent the recovery of the economy as a whole. The committed crime can qualify only as a terrorist attack: the military consciously and deliberately shot unarmed civilians. The Ministry has sent an appeal to the OSCE observer mission to conduct an investigation and take appropriate measures. Those responsible for the death of Donetsk railway workers must be taken to justice. The Ministry will be informing on the progress of the investigation. "
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Re: Russia-Ukraine newsline/Freedom of speech

Postby radon1 » Mon 09 Feb 2015, 11:58:27

The giant crater from this morning's big explosion in Donetsk, no translation

http://youtu.be/MS7usx7_4Zg?t=34s

The explosion itself: http://youtu.be/ZGix83I4nUY
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Re: Russia-Ukraine newsline/Freedom of speech

Postby Withnail » Mon 09 Feb 2015, 12:59:00

Ukies just captured by NAF near Debatselvo.

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NAF heavy artillery heading for the Debatselvo pocket.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=91CAsmwdPAQ

NAF volunteers from Brazil.

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Re: Russia-Ukraine newsline/Freedom of speech

Postby Withnail » Mon 09 Feb 2015, 13:57:00

(english subtltles)

Ukrainian children being taught garbled version of history. Ukrainian civilisation is 140,000 years old. Ukrainians invented the wheel and agriculture.

Spartacus was Ukrainian, and so were the ancient Gauls.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=pl ... uDmtzjd9a0


Breaking: Ukraine Chief of General Staff Lieutenant-General Viktor Muzhenko died in Debatselvo

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Re: Russia-Ukraine newsline/Freedom of speech

Postby Quinny » Mon 09 Feb 2015, 15:28:49

Watched the video. Unbelievable - suppose it explains some of the moronic behaviour. Wonder if that's what Donetsk was taught?
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Re: Russia-Ukraine newsline/Freedom of speech

Postby Strummer » Mon 09 Feb 2015, 16:25:04

In a refreshing breeze of honesty, CNN calls Ukraine government soldiers "pro-US troops":

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Re: Russia-Ukraine newsline/Freedom of speech

Postby Withnail » Mon 09 Feb 2015, 16:46:24

Obama backs off arming Ukraine.
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', '
')Barack Obama has thrown his support behind German diplomatic efforts to contain Russia in Ukraine, hinting that military alternatives under consideration by the White House remain largely symbolic and fraught with danger.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', '
')“Russia obviously has an extraordinarily powerful military and you know, given the length of the Russian border with Ukraine, given the history between Russia and Ukraine, expecting that if Russia is determined that Ukraine can fully rebuff a Russian army has always been unlikely,” he said.


http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2015 ... e-military
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Re: Russia-Ukraine newsline/Freedom of speech

Postby Subjectivist » Mon 09 Feb 2015, 17:25:50

I don't understand why America would need to arm Ukraine, the way I understand it they have lots of weapons stockpiles and even export arms to willing buyers in other countries.
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Re: Russia-Ukraine newsline/Freedom of speech

Postby dissident » Mon 09 Feb 2015, 17:48:56

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Subjectivist', 'I') don't understand why America would need to arm Ukraine, the way I understand it they have lots of weapons stockpiles and even export arms to willing buyers in other countries.


It's a political spasm. The "good guys" aka the regime's Tonton Macoute formations are not performing on the battle field in spite of having more men and equipment, so there is a scramble for a "fix". Because everyone knows that the "good guys" cannot lose. Throwing the latest equipment from NATO over to regime forces will do diddley squat to make them better soldiers. They would need another BS ceasefire of several months to learn how to use the new equipment (obviously I do not mean machine guns and other trivial to use equipment).

So the talk of ceasefire and weapons supplies is consistent. The regime would need the first to make use of the latter. This is why Putin should not be engaged in appeasement of NATO and pressuring the rebels to Minsk. He needs to help them reclaim all the territory of the Donbas. Western Ukrainian Right Sector zealots have no business being there in the first place.
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Re: Russia-Ukraine newsline/Freedom of speech

Postby Keith_McClary » Mon 09 Feb 2015, 17:58:41

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Withnail', 'U')krainian children being taught garbled version of history. Ukrainian civilisation is 140,000 years old. Ukrainians invented the wheel and agriculture.

Spartacus was Ukrainian, and so were the ancient Gauls.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=pl ... uDmtzjd9a0
Other countries do that:
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Re: Russia-Ukraine newsline/Freedom of speech

Postby Withnail » Mon 09 Feb 2015, 20:49:34

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Sixstrings', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Quinny', 'W')atched the video. Unbelievable - suppose it explains some of the moronic behaviour. Wonder if that's what Donetsk was taught?


Oh goodness Quinn, that video is over the top propaganda. :roll:



Your position is unclear. Are you claiming the actual textbooks shown in the video are forgeries?

Multiple sources confirm this is the version of history being taught in Ukraine.

Vladimir Rogov, Deputy Minister for Education in Ukraine is interviewed on the video and confirms the claims.
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Re: Russia-Ukraine newsline/Freedom of speech

Postby radon1 » Mon 09 Feb 2015, 21:37:26

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Oh goodness Quinn,


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Re: Russia-Ukraine newsline/Freedom of speech

Postby radon1 » Mon 09 Feb 2015, 21:39:51

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I'd like to see


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Re: Russia-Ukraine newsline/Freedom of speech

Postby Withnail » Mon 09 Feb 2015, 21:41:13

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Sixstrings', '
')Why don't you link the textbooks or some information source other than what's obvious over the top and unbalanced nor objective, propaganda.



The textbooks are shown on the video.

Since you don't speak Ukrainian you obviously can't read them.
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Re: Russia-Ukraine newsline/Freedom of speech

Postby radon1 » Mon 09 Feb 2015, 21:50:41

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Your position is unclear.


Withnail.

A few of your previous posts have notably contributed to the problems in this thread.

If you have useful things to contribute, then please do. You do often make useful contributions. However, when you begin disputes devoid of substance, eg. engaging trolls like Sixstrings or "making stands" or alike, you are contributing to the destruction of this thread. Moreover, this is explicitly against the policies introduced in the opening post. In this case, if you feel like you'd still like to post in that kind of situation, then please kindly look around and rather use other threads. There are at least three other threads on a similar topic.

Please kindly do not respond to this post.
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Re: Russia-Ukraine newsline/Freedom of speech

Postby radon1 » Tue 10 Feb 2015, 00:52:08

http://fortruss.blogspot.ru/2015/02/nat ... night.html

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', '&')quot;At 02:06 AM a NATO Hercules plane landed at the Kharkov airport. According to eyewitnesses, they land at the Kharkov airport every night since February 5th."


Former German NATO General Kujat: I don't believe in evidence of Russian invasion (video, English subtitles):

http://youtu.be/m1p7NsWvog8
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Re: Russia-Ukraine newsline/Freedom of speech

Postby radon1 » Tue 10 Feb 2015, 02:36:31

http://www.microsofttranslator.com/bv.a ... rnuhino%2F

Plotnisky: refugees cannot get out of Chernuhino

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'L')ugansk, 9 February. The evacuation of the civilians in the village of Chernuhino in the zone of military operations continues. However, according to the head of the Lugansk Republic Igor Plotnisky, the Ukrainian security officials have yet to give "green corridor" to evacuate.

"Negotiations with the Ukrainian side on the granting of a "green corridor" for refugees is continuing. But it has yet to give results," he said.

According to the head of the Republic, the Kiev troops were hiding behind civilians as "human shields", the information center of Lugansk reports.

"The civilian population is a living shield which Kiev forces use to ensure that we do not use artillery. They are not allowed to leave the village. Streets are under fire, roads are mined, "explained Plotnisky.

Head of the LNR also reported that over the weekend evacuation was twice frustrated and only 25 people were taken out, instead of the planned 300-400.


http://www.microsofttranslator.com/bv.a ... chuzhih%2F

Donetsk young lady tells how to distinguish locals from strangers

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'D')onetsk, 9 April. A young resident of Donetsk registered in Facebook under the name Eugeniya Zhennie, compiled a list of 28 signs that you live in Donetsk.

"You are a Donetsk resident, if:

1. Every time you are waking up in the morning you are feeling of pleasant surprise-you're alive!
2. Likes and comments from Donetsk friends in social networks for you are, above all, a sign that they are alive.
3. Dressing up for outdoors, you think not just about how you look on the street or at work, but also how, God forbid, you will look like if enter the hospital or the morgue. Old underwear and holed socks - your place is in the dustbin.
4. Be sure to take your passport with you. In the best case scenario would be that the show patrol, at worst it will significantly simplify and speed up the identification of remains.
5. Before you leave home trying not to quarrel with anyone from home. In fact, you may be seeing each other one last time.
6. Moving across the street or standing at a bus stop, you're automatically constantly scan space for comfortable holes in the asphalt, ditches and parapets are places where you can have opportunity to escape, if shooting starts suddenly.
7. In public transport try to take sit closer to the passage, to be able to lay on the floor immediately when the shooting begins. If you have time of course.
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