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Re: Russia-Ukraine newsline/Freedom of speech

Unread postby radon1 » Sun 08 Feb 2015, 00:28:07

Excerpt's from the speech of the Russian foreign minister Lavrov in the Munich Security Conference

http://fortruss.blogspot.ru/2015/02/lav ... cript.html

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'U')nfortunately, our Western colleagues are apt to close their eyes to everything that is said and done by the Kiev authorities, including inciting xenophobic sentiments. Let me quote: "Ukrainian social-nationalism considers the Ukrainian nation a blood-racial community". And further: "The question of total Ukranization in the future social-nationalist state will be resolved within three to six months with strict and prudent state policy." The author is a deputy of the Ukrainian Verkhovnaya Rada, Andrey Biletsky, the commander of the regiment "Azov", which actively participates in the fighting in Donbass. For ethnically pure Ukraine, the annihilation of Russians and Jews was repeatedly publicly called by the other figures, who broke into politics and power in Ukraine, including Yarosh, Tiagnybok, and leaders of the Radical Party of Lyashko, represented in Verkhovna Rada. These statements did not cause any reaction in Western capitals. I do not think that today's Europe can afford to ignore the danger of the spread of the neo-Nazi virus.


$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'T')hey are probably embarrassed to say to say it here, but now Ukraine is undergoing mobilization, which is running into serious difficulties. Representatives of the Hungarian, Romanian minorities feel "positive" discrimination, because they are called up in much larger proportions than ethnic Ukrainians. Why not talk about it? Or that in Ukraine reside not only Ukrainians and Russians, but there are other nationalities which by fate ended up in this country and want to live in it. Why not provide them with equal rights and take into account their interests? During the elections to the Verkhovnaya Rada the Hungarian minority asked to organize constituencies in such a way that at least one ethnic Hungarian would make it to the Rada. The constituencies were "sliced" so that none of the Hungarians made it. All this suggests that there is something to discuss. There are real problems that don't allow the Ukrainian state to get out of this severe crisis, but they are ignored in the West. I have talked to many, including those sitting here, when they introduced a law on lustration. One-on-one I was told that this is a terrible law, which urgently needs to be cancelled. I asked why this is not talked about publicly, and heard that there is an understanding that it is necessary to support the Ukrainian government, and not to criticize it. What else is there to say?
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Re: Russia-Ukraine newsline/Freedom of speech

Unread postby radon1 » Sun 08 Feb 2015, 01:08:51

http://vk.com/strelkov_info?w=wall-57424472_45218

(google translated/edited)

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'A')ccording to intelligence reports, a formation of a private military company of up to 100 people arrived in Mariupol. The main language of communication of the personnel of the formation - English.
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Re: Russia-Ukraine newsline/Freedom of speech

Unread postby americandream » Sun 08 Feb 2015, 01:21:49

Bourgeoise socialism of the soft kind (social democracy) or the hard kind (some forms of Islam, Nazism and all the other liquorice assortments of high subjectivity) are always called upon by capitalists in their service.
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Re: Russia-Ukraine newsline/Freedom of speech

Unread postby radon1 » Sun 08 Feb 2015, 01:41:12

http://vk.com/strelkov_info?w=wall-57424472_45247

Situational report of the Donbass Republic's Army


(google translated/edited)

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', '
')7.2.15. Posted by Edward Basurin.

"Ukrainian forces lost 2,011 people over the past 22 days. As a result of the active phase of the battle for the day passed, the total loss of Ukrainian forces are as follows: 1 infantry fighting vehicle, 7 artillery pieces and mortars, 2 cars and 80 men killed and wounded. In total, over the last 22 days of active combat phase action, the enemy lost three aircraft, one helicopter, 157 tanks, 127 infantry fighting vehicles, armored personnel carriers and MTLB, 115 field artillery pieces, 83 cars and 2,011 people killed. It is reported that the Donbass forces established control over the settlement Chernukhino, which was an object of fierce fighting. As a result of a counterattack, the Ukrainian forces were driven out of the village Lower Lozove, 5 kilometers north of Debaltseve. Uglegorsk, Kalynivka Lozove and remain under the full control of the Donbass army. In the Donetsk sector, the enemy was shelling heavily the residential areas of Donetsk, Donetsk airport and suburbs. In the Mariupol sector, the Ukrainian forces continued heavy shelling of the positions of the Donbass army. "
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Re: Russia-Ukraine newsline/Freedom of speech

Unread postby radon1 » Sun 08 Feb 2015, 01:48:26

http://youtu.be/K_S-geLA_9o?t=21s

The residents of Avdeevka (a settlement on the frontline in Donbass) assault and swear at the Kievan reporters, and destroy their camera (no translation needed).
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Re: Russia-Ukraine newsline/Freedom of speech

Unread postby radon1 » Sun 08 Feb 2015, 02:05:38

Remains of WWII Soviet soldiers have reportedly been discovered by Donbass soldiers while digging trenches for the upcoming fight nearby Debaltseve.

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Re: Russia-Ukraine newsline/Freedom of speech

Unread postby radon1 » Sun 08 Feb 2015, 02:45:08

http://vk.com/strelkov_info?w=wall-57424472_45293

(google translated/edited)

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', '8').2.15. 10:20. Posted by reporter with nickname "Steppe".

...

In the Kalinin region of Donetsk, nearby Children's Regional Hospital, between the ATB store and the hospital's fence, two aged men left a package. Thanks to the vigilance of a resident of the area, the men were detained, and the package contained radio markers to attract artillery fire."
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Re: Russia-Ukraine newsline/Freedom of speech

Unread postby radon1 » Sun 08 Feb 2015, 02:58:31

http://sputniknews.com/europe/20150208/ ... z3R8D7NQMk

Russian 13th Aid Convoy for Donbas Arrives at Ukrainian Border

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', '
')The 13th Russia's humanitarian aid convoy for eastern Ukraine's Donbas arrived at the state border, the deputy chief of Russian Emergencies Ministry crisis management center, Oleg Voronov, said Sunday.

MOSCOW, (Sputnik) – The convoy comprises over 170 vehicles, which will deliver over 1,800 tonnes of humanitarian aid to the war-torn regions, according to the ministry. Food, necessary items, building materials and other necessities will be brought to Donetsk and Luhansk.

"The humanitarian convoy will divide in two. Over 100 vehicles will be a part of the one delivering more than 1,100 tonnes of humanitarian aid to Donetsk, 70 vehicles will bring to Luhansk over 700 tonnes of humanitarian cargo," Oleg Voronov said.

At 4:00 a.m. Moscow time (1:00 a.m. GMT) the convoy left Don Rescue Center of Russian Emergencies Ministry and began moving towards the state border.
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Re: Russia-Ukraine newsline/Freedom of speech

Unread postby radon1 » Sun 08 Feb 2015, 03:59:52

Ruslan Kotsaba, Ukrainian journalist, a resident of the western Ukraine, who called upon fellow citizens to resist draft and fratricide war, was arrested today by the Ukrainian state security service, SBU

https://twitter.com/ValLisitsa/status/5 ... 65/photo/1

Kotsaba's video against mobilization (he talks in Ukrainian, no translation)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ve_AJRn-HJA
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Re: Russia-Ukraine newsline/Freedom of speech

Unread postby Donetsk » Sun 08 Feb 2015, 04:03:37

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('radon1', '
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The purpose of this thread is to collect a variety of news and opinions on the topic .


Did you really mean that? If so, can you explain why all of your posts are either pro-Russian or an outright Russian propaganda from more than dubious sources?
Could it be because, mmm, you are Russian and openly support military personnel of the so called DNR/LNR , officially designated as terrorists by the country they are visiting?
The bloody mire of Mongolian slavery, not the rude glory of the Norman epoch, forms the cradle of Muscovy. Karl Marx
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Re: Russia-Ukraine newsline/Freedom of speech

Unread postby radon1 » Sun 08 Feb 2015, 04:31:02

http://www.microsofttranslator.com/bv.a ... amiento%2F

(bing translation from Spanish)

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', '[')b]Arrested journalist who called to boycott the recruitment

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But the arrest of Ruslan Kotsaba has due be the most surprising for deniers are still the authoritarian element of the new Government in Kiev. The SBU agents searched his home for several hours and invited the journalist to go to police units, explained his wife on her Facebook page. Currently, Kotsaba is being detained pending move to justice and whether there is any charge against. Ukrainian and patriot, Ruslan Kotsaba has acquired in these weeks certain notoriety for his stance against the mobilization and encourage young people in the country to refuse to be conscripted for that understands itself as a civil war in Donbass.

So ER TV had it on January 18:

Pro-Maidan war reporter encouraged to resist the recruitment

Ukrainian 112 TV channel journalist Ruslan Kotsaba has called on Ukrainians that they boycott the military mobilization and has described what happens in Donbass as a civil war in which "supermen of the Donbass army" and the "supermen of the Ukrainian army" killed each other.

Kotsaba said to be prepared to go to prison rather than enlist in the army. "You not bothered to send me a notification," the journalist said.

"It is impossible for the people to kill each other simply because they want to live separately. There is no regular Russian troops in Donbass, just local people, "militia" or "separatists", while call us "ukropy". All these comings and goings around the airport of Donetsk are a massive cosmic injustice. Right now, the best young people are killing other best young. I am a war reporter and I know what I'm talking about. And all this while those bastards are sitting in headquarters and in the Verkhovna Rada, which is an injustice", said the journalist.

Call to reject the mobilization.

"I encourage all the normal people to reject the mobilization. If you want to enlist as volunteers, let God judge them, it is your responsibility. But I know that one day this war will end and they should know that the volunteers will have to bear the responsibility for everything,"said.

Ruslan Kotsaba was born in Ivano-Frankivsk, actively supported the movement of Maidan and voted to Petro Poroshenko. It is also known for its stance regarding the war of Donbass. In his opinion, the civilian population is that dies in what it calls a civil war, are Ukrainians who die on both sides.


original in Spanish:

http://slavyangrad.es/2015/02/08/deteni ... utamiento/

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Re: Russia-Ukraine newsline/Freedom of speech

Unread postby radon1 » Sun 08 Feb 2015, 05:53:13

Situation report by Edward Basurin, Donetsk Republic's official spokesman

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http://vk.com/strelkov_info?w=wall-57424472_45313

(google translated/edited)

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', '') "Kiev is sending saboteurs dressed in the uniform of the Donetsk army and armed forces of Russia into the territory of Donetsk and Lugansk. SBU [Ukrainian state security service] have began to apply tactics of discreditation on the world stage, not only in respect of the armed forces of Donetsk and Lugansk, but also in respect of the armed forces of the Russian Federation, who are allegedly engaged in combat in Donetsk and Lugansk. Thus, a subversive group of 12 people arrived in Donetsk last night. The were dressed in military uniforms of the armed forces of the Russian Federation. This group, led by an SBU officer Alexander Sulik, was eliminated. The sabotage operations on the territory of the Republics have become more frequent due to the failures of the military operations of the Ukrainian forces and their heavy losses in manpower and equipment. The objective of such operations is not only to direct artillery fire and apply mortar strikes, but also to intimidate the local population and to discredit the armed forces of Donetsk and Lugnask. On average, 3 Ukrainian sabotage groups enter the territory of the Republics every day. "
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Re: Russia-Ukraine newsline/Freedom of speech

Unread postby Withnail » Sun 08 Feb 2015, 06:35:42

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Donetsk', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('radon1', '
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The purpose of this thread is to collect a variety of news and opinions on the topic .


Did you really mean that? If so, can you explain why all of your posts are either pro-Russian or an outright Russian propaganda from more than dubious sources?
Could it be because, mmm, you are Russian and openly support military personnel of the so called DNR/LNR , officially designated as terrorists by the country they are visiting?


If you have useful links to contribute then please do so.
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Re: Russia-Ukraine newsline/Freedom of speech

Unread postby radon1 » Sun 08 Feb 2015, 06:50:21

Facebook entry by a Kievan MP Gerashenko re mobilization protests

https://www.facebook.com/anton.gerashch ... nref=story

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'A')nother hysteria in social networks.

In Mariupol, there are calls for a rally against mobilization tomorrow. Help!

I can reassure all. The situation is under full control of the Interior Ministry and SBU.

Everyone who tomorrow will come to the rally against the mobilization will be detained for several hours for identification, fingerprinting and photographing and then released.

Let me remind you that I and my fellow lawmaker Boris Filatov has filed a bill to impose criminal liability for public calls for the disruption of the mobilization.

This Act is not directed against mothers who tearfully accompany their sons to defend the Motherland.

It is directed against the unpaid and paid provocateurs and gullible fools who commissioned by the Russian secret services to create panic and hysteria in society in order to break the will of Ukrainians to victory.

It will not work!

As soon as the Verkhovna Rada and President support our law - all provocateurs who have been calling to disrupt the mobilization will be imprisoned!


A selection of anti-mobilization protests in various places in Ukraine over the past few days , illustrating the numbers and profile of the candidates for imprisonment (video, no translation):

http://youtu.be/4ktao5T_cx8
http://youtu.be/Yal1pvocdWs
http://youtu.be/jizc4fqjdJc
http://youtu.be/UCvrFFiuxgU
http://youtu.be/n_23yyuf6fA
http://youtu.be/p8EwgpqB4xU
http://youtu.be/_9oy36VZUv0
http://youtu.be/oQyz6Ul5mJA
http://youtu.be/YhzZHJo1HZA
http://youtu.be/o1yTdd6YYzA

Good law they plan. Given the scope of the protests, it has a good chance of boosting mobilization numbers on the opposite side.
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Re: Russia-Ukraine newsline/Freedom of speech

Unread postby Withnail » Sun 08 Feb 2015, 07:10:26

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('americandream', 'T')he West would be well advised to jettison the knuckle draggers running the Ukraine. They are a liability to capitalism with their outdated notions.


Yes, they seem to think capitalism is about begging for handouts.

There's no concept of making Ukraine a good place to invest.
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Re: Russia-Ukraine newsline/Freedom of speech

Unread postby radon1 » Sun 08 Feb 2015, 07:47:35

Frankfurter Allgemeine Sonntagszeitun:

http://www.microsofttranslator.com/bv.a ... 16132.html

(bing translation from German)

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', '
')Ukraine
Safety circuits: up to 50,000 dead
According to official estimates, the war in the East of Ukraine has so far 1200 claimed the lives soldiers and 5400 civilians. German security circles but believe: there are likely to be nearly ten times as many.

German security circles expect after details of the Frankfurter Allgemeine Sonntagszeitung that so far up to 50,000 Ukrainian soldiers and civilians in the fighting in the East of the country killed could be coming. That are most recently officially specified how, almost ten times as many. The official figures are far too low and not credible, it was said in the safety circuits. So, often single-digit numbers of victims would reported after heavy battles, even though there must have been dozens of dead in reality.

The Ukrainian President Petro Poroschenko in Munich with 1200 soldiers and 5400 civilians stated the number of war deaths in the Ukraine.
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Re: Russia-Ukraine newsline/Freedom of speech

Unread postby radon1 » Sun 08 Feb 2015, 08:38:49

http://world.einnews.com/article/248757 ... _Ypq3Y9T9l

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', '[')b]German-French Peace Push Yields Ukraine Summit Plan With Putin

(Bloomberg) -- Leaders of Germany, France, Russia and Ukraine agreed to push ahead with talks on a possible settlement of the Ukrainian conflict, including a tentative peace summit within days.

German Chancellor Angela Merkel and French President Francois Hollande discussed the initiative during a “detailed” conference call with Russian President Vladimir Putin and Ukrainian President Petro Poroshenko on Sunday, Merkel’s spokesman Steffen Seibert said in an e-mailed statement. Talks will resume Monday in Berlin aimed at preparing a summit of the four leaders in Minsk, Belarus, on Feb. 11, he said.
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The plan being discussed by German, French and Russian officials foresees a demilitarized zone of 50 to 70 kilometers and greater autonomy for eastern Ukraine, Hollande told France 2 television Saturday. More than 5,400 people have died in the fighting since April, according to the United Nations.
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Re: Russia-Ukraine newsline/Freedom of speech

Unread postby Tanada » Sun 08 Feb 2015, 09:13:04

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Donetsk', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('radon1', '
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The purpose of this thread is to collect a variety of news and opinions on the topic .


Did you really mean that? If so, can you explain why all of your posts are either pro-Russian or an outright Russian propaganda from more than dubious sources?
Could it be because, mmm, you are Russian and openly support military personnel of the so called DNR/LNR , officially designated as terrorists by the country they are visiting?


Donetsk, radon started this thread with a specific purpose. There are at least three other threads where you can make these kind of statements without causing trouble. If you have actual news links to post that is one thing, but ad hom comments are frowned upon in all threads. Please be civil and follow the COC.
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To strive, to seek, to find, and not to yield.
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Re: Russia-Ukraine newsline/Freedom of speech

Unread postby radon1 » Sun 08 Feb 2015, 09:50:01

http://fortruss.blogspot.ca/2015/02/ame ... raine.html

American military expert to Ukraine: "Donbass is lost, you have no army, you will get no weapons!"

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'W')hy Ukraine can not win the war with Russia and why America will not supply the Ukrainians with weapons, explained the military expert of the Academy of Public Policy at the Kennan Institute, Michael Kofman


$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', '
')The US goal is to find a political way out of this conflict so that we can actually be able to engage in Ukraine. This conflict gradually destroys the chances of Ukraine to become a new country, to reform and to continue their European path. Most important for the United States and Germany is not to engage in this war with Russia. The war with Russia on the border with Russia is almost impossible to win. It's absurd. No one in history has ever won a war with Russia on it's border. The plan to simply send weapons to Ukraine and see: may be, there will be some result, doesn't work. There is no strategy.


$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'F')or example, we will send you an antitank missiles, and they will destroy Russian tanks - then will everything change? Of course, the Russians are not stupid. They will not lose tanks like that. It is clear that they will change their tactics. It is easy to write this on paper, but we all understand, because we have a serious combat experience.

- John McCain actively supports the delivery of weapons.

John McCain... You know, his policy is to send arms to all and always. We joke like that. He never met such a problem, that he would not want to bomb. His entire life he wanted to bomb Iraq, Syria, Libya, Georgia, by the way, and now Ukraine. He has one answer to all problems. If John McCain had been President, we would have had four more wars.


$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', '-') In Ukraine, many are convinced that Ukraine needs American weapons, because without it we cannot achieve the ceasefire.

You cannot achieve a ceasefire with the armed forces. You simply don't have any.


$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', ' ')- Should we recognize these territories are not Ukrainian, to abandon them?

What did the conflict reach? These territories are really lost. The only result that I see over the past year, is that Ukraine has been losing territory and soldiers. And there are no improvements. Sanctions have not changed the policy of Moscow.

Why do they attack? Because the Minsk agreements did not give Russia anything. Russia believes that it made a serious mistake when it signed an agreement in Minsk. Ukraine had no sincere interest to observe Minsk protocol.
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Re: Russia-Ukraine newsline/Freedom of speech

Unread postby dissident » Sun 08 Feb 2015, 10:27:10

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/won ... -two-days/

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$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'U')kraine, to use a technical term, is broke. That's what you call a country whose currency has lost half its value in just two days.

The problem is simple: Ukraine has no money and barely any economy. It's already talking to the IMF about a $15 billion bailout and what's euphemistically being called a debt "restructuring"—i.e., default—as its reserves have dwindled down to $6.42 billion, only enough to cover five weeks of imports. (Three months worth is considered the absolute least you can get by with).

So it was more than a bit belated for Ukraine to stop spending the few dollars it does have on propping up its currency, the hryvnia. It took until Thursday for it to do that, though, and, when it did, the reaction was swift and it was violent. The hyrvnia fell from 16.8 to 24.4 per dollar, and then again to 25.3 on Friday, on the news that the government wouldn't intervene it in anymore. In all, it was a 50 percent decline in 48 hours. And this was despite the fact that its central bank simultaneously jacked up interest rates from 14 to 19.5 percent to try to get people to hold their money in hyrvinia that would pay them a lot instead of dollars that wouldn't. That, as you can see, didn't exactly work.


This post is in response to all the threads and yapping about Russia collapsing being spawned on this board and elsewhere. I am hearing crickets about the economic crisis in Ukraine. According to Moody's Ukraine's GDP will shrink by only 2% in 2015 but Russia's will shrink by 5.5%. The clowns at Moody's and the rest of the western media need to see a shrink.
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