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Re: Neandertals did interbreed with humans

Unread postby eastbay » Mon 10 May 2010, 19:43:58

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('nocar', 'W')hy do everyone assume that the Neandertals were stupid and brutish? As I assume your comments about neighbors and others assume.

We have no idea what the Neandertals were like. Only that they disappeared. After our variety of humans came.




My sentiments exactly! They may have had boats with sails and have mastered basic metal working. We may never know. I wish the study had analyzed more groups for Neanderthal DNA and shared more precisely the percentage of it in each. Maybe a future study? How about Cro-Magnons? Wouldn't it be nice to see how much of that DNA various human groupings carry?
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Re: Neandertals did interbreed with humans

Unread postby PrestonSturges » Mon 10 May 2010, 21:22:13

Humans are the only animals that have prominent white eyeballs. For other animals, the iris covered the whole visible surface of the eye. Neanderthal had large eyes, and they might have been completely dark. That would have been really creepy.
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Re: Neandertals did interbreed with humans

Unread postby Pretorian » Tue 11 May 2010, 00:57:32

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('PrestonSturges', 'H')umans are the only animals that have prominent white eyeballs. For other animals, the iris covered the whole visible surface of the eye. Neanderthal had large eyes, and they might have been completely dark. That would have been really creepy.


strange, to have so many people posting and claiming to have a some sort of a knowledge about human races and subraces, species and subspecies yet they openly dont know what a human is.( for some extra-thickboned, ignorant and lazy material that will be reading this post, neandertals were as human as you or any other obamanoid next to you, much more worthy of being called human though) )
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Re: Neandertals did interbreed with humans

Unread postby Keith_McClary » Tue 11 May 2010, 01:11:48

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Where do the Neandertals fit in to this picture?
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Re: Neandertals did interbreed with humans

Unread postby zoidberg » Tue 11 May 2010, 11:07:59

Yes we are all equal as God sees it, but the question is for those that believe we evolved from monkeys, shouldn't there be just one race than and not 4, surly 4 different types of monkeys did not evolve at the same time, this would be a trillion to one odds.

More proof that we did not come from monkeys, or at least I haven't anyways..[/quote]

think of how quickly man made different dog breeds, many many more than four, in a brief time geologically speaking. Why are slight differences in skin color and morphology so important to you? Why is it impossible for such differences to arise naturally over a hundred thousand years or so modern homo sapiens has been around?
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Re: Neandertals did interbreed with humans

Unread postby eastbay » Tue 11 May 2010, 12:32:47

Yes, why. Good question. I suppose the answer lies in choosing between supporting genetic diversity or embracing the popular pro-extinctionist perspective.... which the age of oil has so suddenly thrust upon us.

Why not allow Siberian Tigers to go extinct? There are many other tigers around differing primarily in hair color. Tigers are equal in Gods eyes. Same with Polar Bears. Black and brown bears are commonplace and if white ones disappear due to mans oil burning who should care? In fact, the sooner they go extinct the better so this horrifying and (well, almost racist) discussion about defending bears due to their color of fur can end. The same with a thousand other wonderful creatures Gaia has created.

Yes, lets allow.... even hurry them along.... no FORCE them along into extinction so we can get past these divisive differences. Sameness will bring equality and equality will bring happiness. That's Gods plan, right?

Not for me. I really wish we still had some Neanderthals around to defend. I rather like red hair in humans. But it's rapidly going extinct.
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Re: Neandertals did interbreed with humans

Unread postby ian807 » Tue 11 May 2010, 12:36:37

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('PrestonSturges', 'H')umans are the only animals that have prominent white eyeballs. For other animals, the iris covered the whole visible surface of the eye. Neanderthal had large eyes, and they might have been completely dark. That would have been really creepy.

Humans are the only animals that wear neckties. It's really the one distinguishing feature. That and "American Idol."
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Re: Neandertals did interbreed with humans

Unread postby dinopello » Tue 11 May 2010, 14:54:25

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('eastbay', ' ')I rather like red hair in humans. But it's rapidly going extinct.


What is your source for this ?
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Re: Neandertals did interbreed with humans

Unread postby eastbay » Tue 11 May 2010, 20:22:03

http://www.digitaljournal.com/article/220229/

National Geographic, among others. Red Hair Extinct. Yellow hair is next. Then blue eyes. Hopefully this won't occur, but we're headed like a spent .223 in that direction, no doubt about it. The pro-extinctionistas among us will rejoice at the death of yet another unique expression of Gaia's fantastic work.

Listen.... you can hear them calling out loudly for all to hear, 'who cares', 'we're all equal', 'what difference does it make', 'there is only one race', 'there is only one bear', 'there is only one tiger', 'there is only one owl, or one snail, or one what have you....', 'God can always remake what we destroy'.

Yes, we'll render 'em all extinct unless we run out of gas.
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Re: Neandertals did interbreed with humans

Unread postby timmac » Tue 11 May 2010, 20:30:38

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('eastbay', '
')Not for me. I really wish we still had some Neanderthals around to defend. I rather like red hair in humans. But it's rapidly going extinct.


Well than your welcome Eastbay, I have gave the earth 2 red headed girls, 16 and 19 years old now, one has applied for a college grant for redheads, yes a grant for red heads, go figure..

And NO if anyone post that's not proof of Neanderthals...
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Re: Neandertals did interbreed with humans

Unread postby eastbay » Tue 11 May 2010, 20:39:36

Congratulations! Few of us can do that. :) Fewer all the time....

Maybe if we're lucky (yes, all of us!) they'll pass that beautiful and increasingly unique torch along.
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Re: Neandertals did interbreed with humans

Unread postby Rod_Cloutier » Tue 11 May 2010, 20:54:16

A small minority of Humans have always been having sex with animals. It the mideval times the crime was a capital offence for both the human and the animal:

http://medievalhistory.suite101.com/art ... iddle_ages

The Neandertal connection in human ancestry could explain the differences between Autistics and Neurologically typical people:

http://isnt.autistics.org/

Mating with the neandertal's likely conveyed important genetic advantages. Outbred individuals or animals are more healthy than populations exposed to excessive inbreeding.
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Re: Neandertals did interbreed with humans

Unread postby mos6507 » Tue 11 May 2010, 21:00:55

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('eastbay', 'h')ttp://www.digitaljournal.com/article/220229/

National Geographic, among others. Red Hair Extinct. Yellow hair is next. Then blue eyes. Hopefully this won't occur, but we're headed like a spent .223 in that direction, no doubt about it. The pro-extinctionistas among us will rejoice at the death of yet another unique expression of Gaia's fantastic work.

Listen.... you can hear them calling out loudly for all to hear, 'who cares', 'we're all equal', 'what difference does it make', 'there is only one race', 'there is only one bear', 'there is only one tiger', 'there is only one owl, or one snail, or one what have you....', 'God can always remake what we destroy'.

Yes, we'll render 'em all extinct unless we run out of gas.




Speaking as a "half-breed" myself (depending on your point of view), I fail to see the analogy between tigers and humans. Reproduction should be a human choice. People normally don't decide to have kids based on some sort of pure-breeding agenda. If we evolve into some globalized average of all the races, it's because each and every couple decided to do that. You want to try to convince people to revert into Spencer Tracy in Guess Who's Coming to Dinner? Be my guest. But you've got an uphill battle.
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Re: Neandertals did interbreed with humans

Unread postby mos6507 » Tue 11 May 2010, 21:03:06

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('timmac', '
')And NO if anyone post that's not proof of Neanderthals...


You don't even believe in evolution, right? So why even bother contributing to this thread?
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Re: Neandertals did interbreed with humans

Unread postby eastbay » Tue 11 May 2010, 21:22:46

Ah, yes, I failed to list, 'humans are different from other life forms', and, 'we choose who to breed with'.

Well the last giraffe will die in a zoo. The last red haired human will die of old age, if she's lucky. It's extinction no matter how you paint it.... and whether you like extinctions or not. It's still, 'Poof!' all gone! Forever.

Like I said, the extinctionistas among us will create a zillion reasons explaining why it's all just fine and dandy. And ridiculing and belittling those who do not want extinctions. Human or other.
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Re: Neandertals did interbreed with humans

Unread postby mos6507 » Tue 11 May 2010, 22:29:41

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('eastbay', '
')Like I said, the extinctionistas among us will create a zillion reasons explaining why it's all just fine and dandy. And ridiculing and belittling those who do not want extinctions. Human or other.


Extinction is also a natural thing. Red hair at one time may have conferred an evolutionary advantage. Today it doesn't. So why should it matter if the gene goes extinct? You have some black people living in the arctic and scandinavians living in the equator. The adaptations that formed the various races are meaningless these days, and will remain meaningless unless we wind up back in the stone age ala Olduvai.

If you really think this issue is so important, I'd like to hear your ideas on how to prevent this dreaded extinction. Shall we pass a law to FORCE red haired people only to have kids with red haired people? Should we have some in-vitro program to keep endangered racial traits alive? All I am hearing from you is empty rhetoric that is divorced from real world practicality.

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Re: Neandertals did interbreed with humans

Unread postby timmac » Tue 11 May 2010, 22:40:32

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('mos6507', 'Y')ou don't even believe in evolution, right? So why even bother contributing to this thread?

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Re: Neandertals did interbreed with humans

Unread postby timmac » Tue 11 May 2010, 23:22:02

Maybe it wasn't the Neanderthals that humans had sex with, maybe it was aliens that came thru wormholes on their ships that did the dirty deeds...Damn aliens always messing things up...

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'A')ncient Cave Paintings Depicting Aliens, UFO and Wormhole Found In Madhya Pradesh, India

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Re: Neandertals did interbreed with humans

Unread postby eastbay » Tue 11 May 2010, 23:26:31

I rest my case. Any mere mention of stopping extinctions generates mean-spirited commentary. It's almost impossible to even discuss it without generating unkind remarks. Those who crave more extinctions appear to be in the majority which demonstrates how deep into the dark abyss we've descended.

What we humans have done is cause a mass-extinction as profound as any the earth has ever experienced. And the seemingly majority extinctionistas praise it as 'natural', and by implication, therefore 'good'.

We few anti-extinctionists for some reason 'feel' the horror of it all. We feel it deep in our psyche. The pro-extinctionists couldn't care less. We each arrive at our unshakable beliefs after reviewing and becoming aware of pretty much the exact same information. I find that interesting.
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Re: Neandertals did interbreed with humans

Unread postby Homesteader » Tue 11 May 2010, 23:33:15

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('eastbay', 'W')e few anti-extinctionists for some reason 'feel' the horror of it all. We feel it deep in our psyche. The pro-extinctionists couldn't care less. We each arrive at our unshakable beliefs after reviewing and becoming aware of pretty much the exact same information. I find that interesting.

I'll be pondering this all day. Good post.
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