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Re: Neandertals did interbreed with humans

Postby mos6507 » Thu 06 May 2010, 18:42:10

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('timmac', 'B')unk. :razz:

You know better than the scientists, right?
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Re: Neandertals did interbreed with humans

Postby dinopello » Thu 06 May 2010, 18:49:46

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('vampyregirl', 'N')eandertals did interbreed with humans


Certainly does explain a lot of people.
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Re: Neandertals did interbreed with humans

Postby timmac » Thu 06 May 2010, 18:52:41

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('mos6507', '
')You know better than the scientists, right?


Not all the time but most the time and some of the time by most of them most of the time :?
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Re: Neandertals did interbreed with humans

Postby vtsnowedin » Thu 06 May 2010, 19:49:53

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('dinopello', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('vampyregirl', 'N')eandertals did interbreed with humans


Certainly does explain a lot of people.


:lol: Yup that was my first thought. It helps to explain some of the relatives behavior.And more then a few of the neighbors.
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Re: Neandertals did interbreed with humans

Postby timmac » Thu 06 May 2010, 20:03:08

Dang man I just been proven wrong there is a 1/2 man/monkey after all and here is proof..

:lol:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X8Ofgy5btNY
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Re: Neandertals did interbreed with humans

Postby nocar » Thu 06 May 2010, 20:11:23

Why do everyone assume that the Neandertals were stupid and brutish? As I assume your comments about neighbors and others assume.

We have no idea what the Neandertals were like. Only that they disappeared. After our variety of humans came.
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Re: Neandertals did interbreed with humans

Postby eXpat » Thu 06 May 2010, 20:12:30

I thought they established that long ago...
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Re: Neandertals did interbreed with humans

Postby dinopello » Thu 06 May 2010, 20:18:39

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('nocar', 'W')hy do everyone assume that the Neandertals were stupid and brutish?


I agree. I felt bad making a joke that implied that, but it was exploiting a commonly held view. :oops: Although, my joke could have been interpreted as dissing either modern man or Neandertals. :wink:

Neadertals probably had a more interesting day than most of us homo's.
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Re: Neandertals did interbreed with humans

Postby Plantagenet » Thu 06 May 2010, 20:29:10

If Neanderthals interbred with humans then ipso facto they were humans.

Rather talented humans too......

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Re: Neandertals did interbreed with humans

Postby vtsnowedin » Thu 06 May 2010, 20:37:45

:oops: A Neanderthal leader could and did get all of his friends ,relatives and enemies in his group to work together as a team to hunt and kill three plus ton woolly mammoths with nothing more then sharpened poles, rocks and fire. While living through an ice age. Try that with the boys down at the pub tonight?
If I was dissing anyone it was the present generation. :P
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Re: Neandertals did interbreed with humans

Postby Tanada » Fri 07 May 2010, 07:23:02

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Plantagenet', 'I')f Neanderthals interbred with humans then ipso facto they were humans.

Rather talented humans too......


First, that cave painting was from the Homo sapiens, not the Homo Neanderthalus, there is no evidence of cave art from Neanderthal man or woman.

Secondly it is highly likely that the Haldane rule was in effect, when closely related species interbreed the female descendants are fertile but the male descendants are sterile for two or three generations. Modern examples are animals like Buffalo and European cattle cross breeds, or my favorite breed of cat the Savannah which is a cross between the common domestic cat and the wild Serval cat. Until the genes are less than roughly 20% from one parent line the males are sterile.

If this is what happened to Neanderthal then the willing to breed with any female Homo sapiens males would have fathered children who would have been fertile if female and sterile if male. Then those female children who resulted would have bred with a later generation of male Homo sapiens and the same thing would have happened a second, third and possibly fourth time. By the fourth generation the Neanderthal portion of the mix would be down to around 6%. After a few tens of millennia that has gotten weeded down to 4%.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Savannah_%28cat%29

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haldane%27s_rule
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Re: Neandertals did interbreed with humans

Postby IslandCrow » Fri 07 May 2010, 10:02:03

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('vampyregirl', ' ')Neandertal man carried the red haired gene,


I wonder what my gene mix must be...the first girl I took out was red haired.... :oops:
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Re: Neandertals did interbreed with humans

Postby Pops » Fri 07 May 2010, 16:01:10

So the expression "red headed step-child" really is old.
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Re: Neandertals did interbreed with humans

Postby Pretorian » Fri 07 May 2010, 18:01:14

I've seen people that left me confident that neandertals had interbreed with their invaders years before this article.
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Re: Neandertals did interbreed with humans

Postby timmac » Fri 07 May 2010, 21:22:53

This is a post left by some one else on another forum I visit, he has similar views as I do and this is a good post, why are there different races if we came from a monkey ?????????

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'I') have a very simple theory that I believe proves evolution false. Well, actually not evolution as a whole, but the idea that man evolved on this planet from monkeys to date is easily proven false when you look at the whole picture.

As many "evolutionists" claim, we evolved on Earth from monkeys. This idea makes no since when you look at the whole picture. If all of us did evolve on this rock from a form of monkey, the races would be much more similar than they are to date. I'm not arguing with the fact that creation does evolve, because I believe it does. I am arguing with the crazy idea that we evolved from monkeys on this planet and are what we are today. If this theory were true it would not explain why there are THREE DIFFERENT RACES ON ONE LAND MASS!

For any person who has ever thought about this theory it must soon come very obvious that we were planted on this planet. When you think clearly about it, if we did all evolve from a form of monkey on this planet then that one form of ape would have spread across the land from sea to sea. Also it would only be one race.

Think of the odds of 3 different races of ape all evolving together on one land mass and holding their own separate piece of land to date. If we did evolve from ape that is what we are seeing today.

What I do think is more possible is that there were four separate races planted on four different areas of the planet. The Caucasian, Asian, African, Indian were all planted in four different areas not too long ago. We are now begging to mix into one race as we would have done a LONG LONG time ago if we did in fact evolve from an ape on this planet.

Also we have the stories of the world being destroyed in the past from a flood. These stories spread across the world. We have the theory now that we evolved suddenly from cromag to homosapien. There is the theory of the "supposed" ice land bridge that used to connect North America and Europe. Where is the land bridge now? There was no global warming back then for a huge ice bridge to just melt away. The Indians were planted where they were, just as the other three races were.

Bottom line, I believe there was intelligent design playing with our evolution and creation on this planet all along. When you really think about this theory you can begin to see how much of a reality this could be.
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Re: Neandertals did interbreed with humans

Postby sparky » Fri 07 May 2010, 21:34:34

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nocar "Why do everyone assume that the Neandertals were stupid and brutish? As I assume your comments about neighbors and others assume."

Neanderthal men had a higher cranial capacity than modern man , their women less
a big sexual dimorphism there .
They buried their deads with some ceremonial and took care of non useful tribe members , even lifetime invalids

Tanada "that cave painting was from the Homo sapiens, not the Homo Neanderthals, there is no evidence of cave art from Neanderthal man or woman."

true of course with some quibbling , there was some wall squiggles and hand prints

there is no trace of Neanderthals in the patrilinear or matrilineral direct lines , but some traces could be located in the mixed set

interbreding certainly could have taken place but the critical point is indeed fertile descendants
if the genetic distance is too large , most offspring would have been sterile or near sterile

a good crossbreeding could have taken place in the middle east ,the earlier populations were less extreme in their characteristics

The classic western Neanderthal bones indicate their physical strength must have been awesome twenty time modern humans , they would be strong enough to lift a bison on their shoulders and bring it back home , could we clone them back they would have to be banned from playing professional rugby :)
they had no bows or dogs and didn't fish ??!!
but lasted two hundred thousand years and three full glaciations , some guys

homo sapiens whipped them out with all others early cousins , the myth of Cain is unfortunately true ,
we are Homo Genocidus , the genocidal ape

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Re: Neandertals did interbreed with humans

Postby timmac » Fri 07 May 2010, 21:36:46

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'N')eanderthal = Nephilim? Carbon 14 Dating?

Introduction:

A speculative research paper examining current evidence available on Neanderthal man with comparison to references in early manuscripts of the Nephilim an ancient race of half-breed humans. The argument is presented that the scientific facts verify that the Neanderthal were in fact one and the same as the ancient warrior race the Nephilim. It is here proposed that an examination of the evidence and facts currently available on Neanderthal man reveal that they could well have been a race of half-breed humans referred to in some of the earliest manuscripts found as the Nephilim.

Background:

Neanderthal man has become an enigma to science once being hailed as the proof of the evolution of apes to modern man. He was considered to be the brutish ancestor link to man in the evolution chain, the intermediate stage between man and ape.
Now! Neanderthal is recognised by scientists as a contemporary of modern man living alongside humans having many human attributes. But amazingly with a LARGER brain than mans! Were they the Nephilim?

To address the question we first need to examine the current facts and information available on Neanderthal man.


Read the whole article here
http://www.stevequayle.com/Giants/Ancie ... m.C14.html
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Re: Neandertals did interbreed with humans

Postby timmac » Sat 08 May 2010, 00:56:23

Buried Alive - The Startling Truth about Neanderthal Man by Dr. Jack Cuozzo


http://jackcuozzo.angelfire.com/
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Re: Neandertals did interbreed with humans

Postby Tanada » Sat 08 May 2010, 06:54:29

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('timmac', 'T')his is a post left by some one else on another forum I visit, he has similar views as I do and this is a good post, why are there different races if we came from a monkey ?????????


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Re: Neandertals did interbreed with humans

Postby sparky » Sat 08 May 2010, 10:32:36

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a good article from der spiegel international

Evidence Suggests Early Humans Mated with Neanderthals

http://www.spiegel.de/international/wor ... 98,00.html
I also recommend the photo gallery

Tanada , the conclusion would certainly make you think

The concept of race should be seen as a short hand for the scientifically correct term of sub-specie ,
I.E. capable of fertile breeding within one specie but with distinct inherited traits

That's OK , I always had a sweet spot for the Neanderthals and feel good to carry some of their genes .
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