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Re: Major Earthquake strikes Haiti

Unread postby Jotapay » Sat 23 Jan 2010, 12:08:14

Small communities are starting to form to divide labor, increase personal security and provide for the personal well-being of the members. This is what I expect will happen, to some extent, if something like this were to happen in my city and neighborhood. Small local communities, probably the size of a neighborhood or a few blocks, would form and attempt to solve their problems together.

http://www.npr.org/templates/story/stor ... =122843872

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', '[')size=150]Haitian Communities Set Up Neighborhood Watches[/size]

All over Port-au-Prince, as we've seen and heard, people are camping out. With their homes demolished or just because theyre scared, Haitians have moved into the streets, where theyre forming neighborhood watch committees, sharing what they have as they try to keep their spirits up.

BURNETT: They've been out here for the past 10 nights. Women lie on bed sheets spread out under a crescent moon, their restive children unable to sleep. The only light comes from candles from an animated domino game.

BURNETT: Maseo Lumpar(ph) is a 28-year-old telecommunications student who's taken upon himself to walk the crowd every night and make sure everyone's okay.

Mr. MASEO LUMPAR: (Through translator) The reason we organize this camping area is because a lot of prisons were destroyed. Now there are crooks, murderers and thieves everywhere. So we want to watch everybody. You've got these guys roaming at night. We want to see who's coming in and out of the neighborhood.

BURNETT: What happened here and throughout Port-au-Prince is the formation of spontaneous communities. It's the same thing that happened in the streets in New Orleans in the days after Hurricane Katrina. When the government never came, lots of people helped one another, looked out for one another.
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Re: Cops killing suspected looters in Haiti?

Unread postby Jotapay » Sat 23 Jan 2010, 12:10:36

Yes, I've seen many pictures of looters shot in the back or head. Some were video of them actually gurgling on their own blood and dying right then in the street next to a bag of rice.

Some of these people may not have been looters too, and were just carrying supplies that they had secured.
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Re: Cops killing suspected looters in Haiti?

Unread postby mcgowanjm » Sat 23 Jan 2010, 12:13:22

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Jotapay', 'Y')es, I've seen many pictures of looters shot in the back or head. Some were video of them actually gurgling on their own blood and dying right then in the street next to a bag of rice.

Some of these people may not have been looters too, and were just carrying supplies that they had secured.


The longer the US controls the (air) ports, prioritizes
troops over aid, the worse it will get.

Does Haiti have offshore oil?

How is that 14% of America's Cocaine supply now
getting to us?
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Re: Cops killing suspected looters in Haiti?

Unread postby Pretorian » Sat 23 Jan 2010, 12:48:07

well police there asks people to kill criminals through a loudspeaker, you cant beat that
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Re: Cops killing suspected looters in Haiti?

Unread postby pablonite » Sat 23 Jan 2010, 20:24:34

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('mcgowanjm', 'T')he longer the US controls the (air) ports, prioritizes
troops over aid, the worse it will get.

Does Haiti have offshore oil?

How is that 14% of America's Cocaine supply now
getting to us?

They have oil and minerals apparently...

http://globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=17165
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'E')zili Dantò: Well, technically with regards to mining, there is this thing called the Bureau of Mines [and Energy] and its under the Ministry of Public Works in Haiti.

But what folks have to understand is the history of what's been going on with respect to Haiti...


http://globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=17149
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'T')here is evidence that the United States found oil in Haiti decades ago and due to the geopolitical circumstances and big business interests of that era made the decision to keep Haitian oil in reserve for when Middle Eastern oil had dried up. This is detailed by Dr. Georges Michel in an article dated March 27, 2004 outlining the history of oil explorations and oil reserves in Haiti and in the research of Dr. Ginette and Daniel Mathurin...

Here is a crude map.
http://www.margueritelaurent.com/pressc ... urces.html
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Re: Cops killing suspected looters in Haiti?

Unread postby Novus » Sun 24 Jan 2010, 07:20:52

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('SeaGypsy', 'h')ttp://www.cnn.com/2010/WORLD/americas/01/21/haiti.police.shooting/index.html

Certainly looks like summary execution and wounding with very dubious evidence.


CNN speaks out of both side of its mouth. On the one side they complain about the shooting of looters but then an hour later they run another story of men taking donated rice and selling it on the black market and cry why the police aren't doing anything. CNN has all the integrity of a yellow tabloid.
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Re: Cops killing suspected looters in Haiti?

Unread postby SeaGypsy » Sun 24 Jan 2010, 07:29:30

Yeah CNN suck, like all MSM; but it was a handy link!
The fact CNN got this story so graphicly is the reason for my use of it. I think the reporter had a lot of balls to go right up and challenge the cops and follow the story through. More credit to him and his team.
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Re: Major Earthquake strikes Haiti

Unread postby Rod_Cloutier » Sun 24 Jan 2010, 14:44:22

Apparently the disaster is over and its not insensitive for the wealthy to party on the beach again in Haiti:

http://english.aljazeera.net/news/ameri ... 46273.html

If I was a wounded, starving, thirsty Haitian, I would charge the tourists and take refuge on their luxury cruise liner just off shore. I'm sure anyone from Haiti witnessing this travesty wouldn't mind a hot shower, shuffelboard on deck, a swim in the pool and the all you can eat buffet.

Every day that I live I see or hear of something absurd happening, and this is tragic and insensitive as well!
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Re: Major Earthquake strikes Haiti

Unread postby Pretorian » Sun 24 Jan 2010, 20:18:15

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Repent', 'A')pparently the disaster is over and its not insensitive for the wealthy to party on the beach again in Haiti:

http://english.aljazeera.net/news/ameri ... 46273.html

If I was a wounded, starving, thirsty Haitian, I would charge the tourists and take refuge on their luxury cruise liner just off shore. I'm sure anyone from Haiti witnessing this travesty wouldn't mind a hot shower, shuffelboard on deck, a swim in the pool and the all you can eat buffet.

Every day that I live I see or hear of something absurd happening, and this is tragic and insensitive as well!


Mind me asking how many deserts have you skipped since the quake and how many entertaining events have you canceled?
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Re: Major Earthquake strikes Haiti

Unread postby Revi » Sun 24 Jan 2010, 21:51:01

I saw what tourism did for the economy of Costa Rica, and it is a great thing for the economy if it's done the way they do it there. The money goes to the local people. I'm sure that it's similar in Haiti. You might not like the sight of those tourists sunning on Haiti, but the vendors and workers at the beach resort like seeing them come, spend money and leave.

We feel the same way here in Maine.
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Re: Major Earthquake strikes Haiti

Unread postby Ludi » Mon 25 Jan 2010, 17:48:08

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Novus', ' ')I know some will call me a monster for thinking such but that is the way it is.



No, we'll just wish an accident on you that causes you to die a slow and miserable death so you might learn empathy before you die. :)
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Re: Major Earthquake strikes Haiti

Unread postby lper100km » Mon 25 Jan 2010, 19:01:16

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Novus', '
')There can be no aid without the foresight of population control. It is a blessing in disguise when natural disaster thins the herd. For the bleeding hearts to fight the natural selection process only leads to overshoot induced ecosystem collapse bringing death to all. When viewing the bigger picture the aid hurts more than it helps. I know some will call me a monster for thinking such but that is the way it is.

It’s easy to indulge in such distanced thought processes when the disaster is somewhere else. Would you say the same if your own family was lying under collapsed concrete?
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Re: Major Earthquake strikes Haiti

Unread postby Novus » Mon 25 Jan 2010, 21:52:15

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Ludi', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Novus', ' ')I know some will call me a monster for thinking such but that is the way it is.



No, we'll just wish an accident on you that causes you to die a slow and miserable death so you might learn empathy before you die. :)


I have empathy just not for the yeast people. My empathy is reserved for the eternal tribes that were genocided in the name progress and modernity. Haiti itself being a case of where that gets you.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('lper100km', '
')It’s easy to indulge in such distanced thought processes when the disaster is somewhere else. Would you say the same if your own family was lying under collapsed concrete?


All must die at some point it is just a matter of when and how. Collapsed concrete, civilization collapse it is all the same to me. When you stare into the abyss the abyss stares back into you and what has been seen cannot be unseen. Whether my life or my families' I will take it stoically when it comes.
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Re: Major Earthquake strikes Haiti

Unread postby WildRose » Tue 26 Jan 2010, 13:33:26

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Novus', '
')All must die at some point it is just a matter of when and how. Collapsed concrete, civilization collapse it is all the same to me. When you stare into the abyss the abyss stares back into you and what has been seen cannot be unseen. Whether my life or my families' I will take it stoically when it comes.


Really, Novus? If your brother (if you have a brother) was injured in a natural disaster and he needed help or gangrene would spread throughout his body and he would die, would you not look for help?

There's nothing anyone can do for the dead, except to honor one's memories of them and in the case of a huge disaster like Haiti's, remove the dead so as to avoid spread of disease. It's the suffering that calls us to help.

To those who speak of the Haitians as a borderline retarded population, that's just baloney. There are a few wealthy Haitians, a few sort of middle-class Haitians and loads of poor Haitians, which is the result of the trappings of abject poverty which are so difficult to shake. If you were to teach a class of poor Haitian children, you would see that they learn quickly and have more enthusiasm for learning than a lot of kids in Canada and the States have. Some friends of ours doing a mission in Haiti witnessed this - and some children, with no clothes on their backs, showed up for class with the others and did not let the fact that they were naked stand in the way of their learning.
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Re: Major Earthquake strikes Haiti

Unread postby Pretorian » Tue 26 Jan 2010, 19:27:08

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('WildRose', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Novus', '
')To those who speak of the Haitians as a borderline retarded population, that's just baloney. There are a few wealthy Haitians, a few sort of middle-class Haitians and loads of poor Haitians, which is the result of the trappings of abject poverty which are so difficult to shake.


well we need to clear up something here. Many of IQ researches were instigated by the fact that many blacks that do have same IQ as a white retard do not act as such socially. So, if IQ of 70 is a bordeline retard for White, it isnt for a Negro.
As for wealthy/middle class haitians most of them are mulattos with aevrage IQs anywhere from 80-85 to 95 or even a 100 depending on how much european ancestry the have.
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Re: Major Earthquake strikes Haiti

Unread postby Revi » Tue 26 Jan 2010, 20:18:15

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Pretorian', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Revi', 'C')alling me a "bleeding heart liberal" doesn't erase the problem. 400,000 people are being set up in tent camps outside of Port au Prince right now.

The people from my church are already down there helping out.

What if "your people" were wiped out in a giant tornado.

All their nascar memorabilia was strewn over 4 counties.

Wouldn't you help them out?


If my people were bordeline retard, professional welfarasts that were doubling their numbers every 20 years or so, just like " your people" in Haiti I most certainly wouldnt. I might even praise the lord for the blessing.

Anyways I am sure you do understand that whatever pain&suffering you alleviate there now will come back later , soon enough, 10-fold.
Btw there is a recent study showing that people can get euphoria from helping other people just like from sex, food and drugs. I guess this " feel good" thing is what matters, future be damned.


First of all I don't think there are words like bordeline and welfarasts in the english language even though your extremely high IQ tells you there are. There isn't any welfare in Haiti anyway. It's another country, but you probably knew that.

I don't know about the pain and suffering coming back ten fold, but I do think there is a kind of a high that comes from helping other people out instead of kicking them when they are down which probably just makes you and them feel badly.
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Re: THE Haiti Thread (merged)

Unread postby mcgowanjm » Wed 27 Jan 2010, 09:50:02

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Leanan News', 'Z')ion Oil & Gas Inc., a Dallas- based company that’s drilling in Israel. “A discovery could significantly improve the country’s economy and stimulate further exploration.”

“Haiti, from the standpoint of oil and gas exploration, is a lot less developed than the Dominican Republic,” Pierce said. “One could do a lot more work there.”


And we just found out!

Who woulda thunk it. I bet Haiti has Bauxite and
DeepWater Ports as well to Trans ship SuperTankers.

And now 20,000 US from an already overstretched
Military. What are the odds. :twisted: :twisted: 8O 8O 8)
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Re: THE Haiti Thread (merged)

Unread postby shortonsense » Wed 27 Jan 2010, 10:05:43

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('mcgowanjm', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Leanan News', 'Z')ion Oil & Gas Inc., a Dallas- based company that’s drilling in Israel. “A discovery could significantly improve the country’s economy and stimulate further exploration.”

“Haiti, from the standpoint of oil and gas exploration, is a lot less developed than the Dominican Republic,” Pierce said. “One could do a lot more work there.”


And we just found out!

Who woulda thunk it. I bet Haiti has Bauxite and
DeepWater Ports as well to Trans ship SuperTankers.

And now 20,000 US from an already overstretched
Military. What are the odds. :twisted: :twisted: 8O 8O 8)


and...and...and...America caused the earthquake too!!

http://uswgo.com/i-believe-the-incident ... weapon.htm

Quick question....whats your take on the faked moon landings, and the involvement of the Roswell aliens as part of a conspiracy to keep the world from learning of their base near the Sea of Tranquility?
:lol: :lol:
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Re: THE Haiti Thread (merged)

Unread postby mcgowanjm » Wed 27 Jan 2010, 11:14:29

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('SoS', '
')
and...and...and...America caused the earthquake too!!

http://uswgo.com/i-believe-the-incident ... weapon.htm

Quick question....whats your take on the faked moon landings, and the involvement of the Roswell aliens as part of a conspiracy to keep the world from learning of their base near the Sea of Tranquility?
:lol: :lol:


Wow. That's crazy stuff, SoS. I'll have to look into that.
Maybe you could help me. Or sign up one of your helpers
from when we accused Saddam/Anthrax/WMD/911.

None of which has been solved/proved, BTW:

* OPINION-WSJ
* JANUARY 24, 2010, 7:33 P.M. ET

The Anthrax Attacks Remain Unsolved
The FBI disproved its main theory about how the spores were weaponized.

And here she is!:

I'm Surprised She Didn't Get a Promotion

by Eric Martin

Ah, to recall the pernicious confluence of incompetence and mendacity that was the Bush administration:

Mylroie was paid roughly $75,000 to produce a 300-page study, "The History of Al Qaida," for the Defense Department think tank, known as the Office of Net Assessment, a DOD spokesman tells us. The study, which is dated September 2005, was posted on an intelligence blog last month.

Why the harsh assessment? Well, in addition to her "Saddam was behind 9/11" hobby horse, she pretty much ascribed everything under the sun to the purported omnipotent dictator who, in actuality, was clinging to power atop a crumbling regime with limited military, economic and inspirational power - not to mention a deep-seated and natural antipathy to al-Qaeda, a sentiment that was returned in full."

But Iraq had NOTHING to do with OIL, eh SOS?

But now Haiti, which seems to have all of the indicators of
oil, now gets 20,000 US troops, which must be from an all too stretched
military as is, when everyone involved outside the US
is wondering what all of those Troops are needed for?
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Re: THE Haiti Thread (merged)

Unread postby mcgowanjm » Wed 27 Jan 2010, 11:17:57

Just another BTW. Everyone remember when 911 Truthers
signaling that the only planes circling DC at 9:30 AM on 911
were military (at least 6)

were treated to the same CT treatment?

And funny (sick not haha) how SoS has to reach for 'moon landings,
space ships, forced earthquakes' instead of 911 CT's.

Maybe that's progress, eh? :twisted: 8O 8)
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