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Re: Japanese sink Anti Whaling Ship/ Adi Gil

Unread postby mcgowanjm » Thu 07 Jan 2010, 12:17:32

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('SeaGypsy', 'S')horty, you are a fool. A remote controlled floating camera with flying capability would be even more effective than the Adi Gil. You are obviously completely ignorant of non violent resistance. Ever heard of Ghandi? NVA is often walking a very fine line, the complexities are far greater than a jellyfish like you requires to continue to waste perfectly good oxygen.
PS: flies can blind horses. What do you do with a blind horse?


:twisted: :twisted: 8) 8)

Whales and Dolphins are Non Human Persons.

The Saviors of the Planet. And we kill them for meat.

Humans are simply an advanced form of yeast.
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Re: Japanese sink Anti Whaling Ship/ Adi Gil

Unread postby shortonsense » Thu 07 Jan 2010, 20:21:54

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('SeaGypsy', 'S')horty, you are a fool. A remote controlled floating camera with flying capability would be even more effective than the Adi Gil. You are obviously completely ignorant of non violent resistance. Ever heard of Ghandi?


Yes. But smashing lightweight speedboats into steel hulls doesn't qualify. And providing an excuse for the Japanese to arm themselves to keep such lunkheads away from their ships, which would be wonderful television ( think....Battle of Jutland....only...smaller ) can be pretty harmful to the younglings.
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Re: Japanese sink Anti Whaling Ship/ Adi Gil

Unread postby SeaGypsy » Thu 07 Jan 2010, 22:04:29

What is more insane? Being ready to do dangerous and foolhardy things to defend a species or a religion? An ecosystem or an economy? Couch potatoes achieve exactly nothing. Just sit back and enjoy the show Shorty, be a good little consumer and pay your electricity so you can keep watching.
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Re: Japanese sink Anti Whaling Ship/ Adi Gil

Unread postby yeahbut » Thu 07 Jan 2010, 22:25:23

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('shortonsense', 'W')hile I find the show fascinating, it most closely resembles flies bothering a horse...sure..those flies are irritating, and that tail can't chase them all away, but certainly the horse doesn't otherwise seem bothered by them much.


Oh it irritates them alright, because every delay the Sea Shepherd guys create costs them very large amounts of money in reduced catch. It irritates em right in the wallet.

I think the most despicable thing about the Japanese whaling is the lying. "Research". It's pitiful. They know they are lying when they say this is their purpose, the rest of the world knows they are lying, and they know the world knows they are lying. What possible 'face', or honour there is to be found in such cowardly dishonesty is beyond me. Grow some balls, and say you like killing and eating highly intelligent mammals. Stop lying. New Zealand and Australia are currently launching a joint whale research programme in the Southern Ocean, which will entail the deaths of exactly zero whales. They've even figured out a way, using air rifles and darts, to take tissue samples without harming the whales. This is what real research looks like, not the lies of the Japanese.

Also, if you think you're entitled to traditional whale taking, then get out in your traditional dugout canoe with your traditional bone harpoon and put your butt on the line in the traditional fashion. Or STFU.

Oh, and a happy new year to you all! :-D :-D
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Re: Japanese sink Anti Whaling Ship/ Adi Gil

Unread postby Jotapay » Thu 07 Jan 2010, 23:00:48

I am 90% Libertarian.

But in my opinion, I 100% think you should leave the whales, dolphins and porpoises alone. Let them be and do not kill them. Just like we do with dogs here in the USA.
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Re: Japanese sink Anti Whaling Ship/ Adi Gil

Unread postby Jotapay » Thu 07 Jan 2010, 23:02:50

And don't forget the Japanese are batshit insane. If you need proof, just ask, I'll be more than glad to sicken you.
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Re: Japanese sink Anti Whaling Ship/ Adi Gil

Unread postby shortonsense » Thu 07 Jan 2010, 23:26:44

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('SeaGypsy', 'W')hat is more insane? Being ready to do dangerous and foolhardy things to defend a species or a religion?


Is there a difference?

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('SeaGypsy', '
')An ecosystem or an economy? Couch potatoes achieve exactly nothing. Just sit back and enjoy the show Shorty, be a good little consumer and pay your electricity so you can keep watching.


A good little consumer!! I will have you know that I have been a good little saver as well...plus a good little investor! You think that prepping for this particular peak oil has been easy? No sirree Bob.....and if parking easily broken boats in front of real ships is all that semi-fanatical do gooders in the Southern Ocean can think of to demonstrate their dedication to the cause, I got news, their dedication is more than a little lacking. Even us not quite couch potato's yet can see that one from a mile away.
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Re: Japanese sink Anti Whaling Ship/ Adi Gil

Unread postby Sixstrings » Thu 07 Jan 2010, 23:48:16

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Jotapay', 'I') am 90% Libertarian.

But in my opinion, I 100% think you should leave the whales, dolphins and porpoises alone. Let them be and do not kill them. Just like we do with dogs here in the USA.


Unfortunately, Asians don't share the same cultural soft spots we Westerners have. Did you know they still eat dogs in South Korea? It's their tradition, blah, blah, blah.. but to me, it's abhorrent. They don't have to eat dogs, they can afford other food -- they just like the taste.

As for whales, from what I've read it's apparently an older generation thing. The younger kids coming up aren't into whale meat, so hopefully this god-awful tradition of theirs will die out with the older Japanese. (but heck, the older Japanese live longer than we do so maybe I'm wrong here and they're on to something :wink: )

Oh, another nasty little practice of the Asians.. they LOVE to grind up endangered species to use in their phony-baloney traditional medicines. These people really don't shed one tear over anything natural, they won't hesitate to hunt down the last animal of a species, or grind it up into some inane fertility powder.
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Re: Japanese sink Anti Whaling Ship/ Adi Gil

Unread postby Sixstrings » Fri 08 Jan 2010, 00:06:57

By the way, here's a pic of a whale meat market in Japan:

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Notice the sign with the smiling happy whale (wtf?).

Also notice the chart behind the butcher.. looks like about 30 different species available for sale, from the biggest to the smallest.
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Re: Japanese sink Anti Whaling Ship/ Adi Gil

Unread postby shortonsense » Fri 08 Jan 2010, 00:24:01

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('pstarr', 'S')hortypants, would hunt and kill the last Blue Whale to save your job? For a dollar? A billion dollars? To feed your child? Do you have a moral compress, or is the market the measure of everything?

Just asking.


I like whales. I don't eat them. The fake morally play going on around them, over them, and in their vicinity in the Southern Ocean is fascinating, and I think it has very little to do with saving the whales and much more to do with the ego's of the people involved, each trying to outdo each other in some way. The captains of the whalers with a job to do but you know darn well with orders not to look like pansies, the captain who doesn't mind getting his ships sunk if it keeps the donations and attention rolling in, allowing him to continually play the victim.

As far as the market....well....the value of a thing is determined by what someone is willing to pay you for it. No more, and no less. Strikes me as a completely reasonable general rule, with obvious exceptions of course.
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Re: Japanese sink Anti Whaling Ship/ Adi Gil

Unread postby shortonsense » Fri 08 Jan 2010, 01:36:18

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('pstarr', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('shortonsense', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('pstarr', 'S')hortypants, would hunt and kill the last Blue Whale to save your job? For a dollar? A billion dollars? To feed your child? Do you have a moral compress, or is the market the measure of everything?

Just asking.

the captain who doesn't mind getting his ships sunk if it keeps the donations and attention rolling in, allowing him to continually play the victim.
It is only fake morality that you despise? What about the real thing?


Morality is a relative concept. So your "real" morality certainly may not even remotely resemble mine, let alone that between the whalers and the zealots.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('pstarr', '
')You have not answered my question and I don't believe you are capable of doing so. It is difficult to place oneself (even in one's imagination) in such a difficult position. Would you kill the last Blue Whale to save your child? Would you eat the Last-Blue Whale meat? Do you like cattle? Do you eat them?


I eat meat all the time. Much of it from local supplies which aren't supposed to exist. :lol: :lol:

As far as answering your question, well, thats ALWAYS your claim when people don't walk blindly into your little semantic traps like lambs to my dinner table. As far as your most recent specific example, answering that is easy. I'd slaughter the whales, baby seals, sterilize the oceans on general principles and not slow down as I moved onshore...to save my children from...whatever. Of course, I would have to be convinced that doing so was an effective way to save them of course...a tall order for a non zealot such as myself.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('pstarr', '
')You find it (impossible, unlikely) that the Sea Shepherd crew was acting in good faith, for the future of whales?


Are you kidding? I'm COUNTING on it....it wouldn't be decent reality TV if they didn't believe their own press.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('pstarr', '
')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('shortonsense', 'A')s far as the market....well....the value of a thing is determined by what someone is willing to pay you for it. No more, and no less. Strikes me as a completely reasonable general rule, with obvious exceptions of course.I am not like you Shorty. I would likely take a bullet for the last polar bear.

Well....good for you...I think. Not that I believe you in the least...but if it helps your self esteem to think you are that dedicated then...knock yourself out I guess.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('pstarr', '
')Wanna test me? Find one and bring a gun. But you had better be a better shot them me. :badgrin:

Please.....one minute you want to be a suicide, the next a murderer. Make up your mind, get back to us when you have figured out your actual position.
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Re: Japanese sink Anti Whaling Ship/ Adi Gil

Unread postby SeaGypsy » Fri 08 Jan 2010, 02:50:08

My position is that Shorty is nothing more than a hybrid jellyfish troll, with nothing of worth to contribute to any thread he chooses to vomit into. Why don't you start your own thread "Who thinks shorty should be......?" fill in the spaces yourself.
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Re: Japs sink Anti Whaling Ship/ Adi Gil

Unread postby Pretorian » Fri 08 Jan 2010, 10:04:50

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('mgibbons19', 'S')o the answer to the problem is a captain who is hell bent on pursuing this agenda?

At the risk of his equipment? At the risk of his crew?

So when he kills some volunteer on his boat who is simply too idealistic for his own good, that'll be ok?



When one of US mercenaries dies in Iraq or Afganistan, do you blame his commanding offier too?

When you go to the sea with a mission like that, I am sure its not exatlctly a cruise. Death is part of life anyway.

Anyways , personally I dont mind whale hunting , as long as its done traditionallly, i.e hand-made boats, spears with bone/obsidian edge, ets.

PS by the way a lot of expensive parfumes/colognes have whale parts in them.
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Re: Japanese sink Anti Whaling Ship/ Adi Gil

Unread postby Pretorian » Fri 08 Jan 2010, 10:22:04

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Sixstrings', 'B')y the way, here's a pic of a whale meat market in Japan:

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Notice the sign with the smiling happy whale (wtf?).

Also notice the chart behind the butcher.. looks like about 30 different species available for sale, from the biggest to the smallest.


Scientists at work ::)
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Re: Japanese sink Anti Whaling Ship/ Adi Gil

Unread postby SeaGypsy » Fri 08 Jan 2010, 11:30:13

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ambergris is extracted from either dung or vomit of whales and has been replaced by synthetics. It was worth a lot of money not long ago.
I'm with pretorian on this 1. If you have what it takes to take these animals on in a natural way, your chances of surviving dieoff are pretty damn good. The humanoid drone 'scientist' tossers doing this crap in their factory ships will thankfully dieoff very rapidly. The fact some humans of dubious intelligence but great spirit are down there slowing these &%$@#'ers down is a very good thing. Their chances of having many successfull offspring are high because chicks dig this stuff.
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Re: Japanese sink Anti Whaling Ship/ Adi Gil

Unread postby SeaGypsy » Fri 08 Jan 2010, 12:54:16

I just PM'd you Pstarr, can we please refrain from feeding the troll? Or at least refrain from quoting it? Thanks.
Anyone got any non threadjacking thoughts to add here?

I am interested in the whole theory of NVA, generally considered to be the gift of Ghandi.
As I spent a number of years as a hindu monk I have many Indian friends. Funny thing about Ghandi is that most well educated Indians say 2 things about him. 1 that he was a saint among politicians and a politician among saints. 2 that he kicked the British out 100 years early. The most common response to the former is "I've never met a saint". The most common response to the latter ignores the fact the Brits were there a long time before Ghandi was.
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