[Carlhole]

A global grid build-out is pretty much underway, folks. It's impressive. Its being built with current technology and technology still under development.

The Chinese grid build-out is the biggest and its a staggering, enormous effort. Compare it to the dam they just built. Just the wind component of the Chinese grid is mind munchingly huge. And the Chinese are absolutely exploiting everything they possibly can to create an efficient, highly flexible grid. It's a major story in its own right and its worth following.

The whole world will be inventing, developing and building this highly modern, more efficient energy grid. The whole world will be cooperating with the Chinese to do this. So its ultimately a peaceful objective that should be encouraged and supported.

We will be seeing a lot of innovations.

[shortonsense]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('pstarr', 'D')ude.

A 100 years ago we did not have superhighways cutting across rural/wilderness America. Today we have superhighways without electric or natural gas lines for folks to refuel at, folks who may have been stupid enough to buy into your cornucopian dreams.

[Revi]

I think that it is all possible, but we lack the motivation to do it.

We can't get into any kind of meaningful percentage of alternatives because we are too complacent right now with a grid fed by coal.

We are too enamored of the apps in our phones to pay any attention to what is fueling our lifestyle.

Good luck getting everyone into electric cars. We have one, but we had to build it ourselves.

It would be nice to free America of it's addiciton, but I think it's more like hanging out with a junkie that is detoxing, but not by choice.

It isn't going to be fun for anyone.

[TheDude]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Carlhole', 'T')he Chinese grid build-out is the biggest and its a staggering, enormous effort. Compare it to the dam they just built.

[shortonsense]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Revi', 'I') think that it is all possible, but we lack the motivation to do it.

We can't get into any kind of meaningful percentage of alternatives because we are too complacent right now with a grid fed by coal.

[Plantagenet]

At least the government is working on the problem. Obama promised his programs would make the US free of its huge dependence on foreign oil. He even promised an "Apollo Project" to invent a new kind of energy.

[shortonsense]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Plantagenet', 'A')t least the government is working on the problem. Obama promised his programs would make the US free of its huge dependence on foreign oil. He even promised an "Apollo Project" to invent a new kind of energy.

[Revi]

I agree completely, SOS.

If we had oil at $180 a barrel there would be a lot of conservation and carpooling going on.

[shortonsense]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Revi', 'I') agree completely, SOS.

If we had oil at $180 a barrel there would be a lot of conservation and carpooling going on.

[mike3]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('AirlinePilot', 'I') wont go into it again. This is pie in the sky. Not enough time, not enough alternative sources, not enough money. On top of those...Too much pain so none of it will be voluntary.
We have undergone little replacement to date. yes there is some, but scope and scale is going to kill us. This author has no clue of either.

[mike3]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Revi', 'I') agree completely, SOS. If we had oil at $180 a barrel there would be a lot of conservation and carpooling going on.

[mike3]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('shortonsense', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Revi', 'I') agree completely, SOS.

If we had oil at $180 a barrel there would be a lot of conservation and carpooling going on.

[Ludi]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('mike3', '
')I find it interesting, nobody ever wants to take a "painful" path voluntarily, yet they voluntarily choose to not take it,
and the not taking it path is even MORE painful. But I suppose it's how it's seen: they don't see that choosing not to
do it is ultimately more painful, or care only about the immediate, and not the more distant future.

[Phildo]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('shortonsense', '
')
Is the electrification of transport really that much of a theoretical technology of tomorrow? Seems like its perfectly reasonable, 100+ year old technology which we are just now getting back around to seeing the advantage of.

[shortonsense]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Phildo', 'Y')es. Large-scale Electric Ground Transportation is Very do-able with the existing technology and materials of today.

[Phildo]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('shortonsense', 'A')s a new poster in these parts, I should offer the following words of warning.....agreeing with me, under any circumstances, no matter how reasonable or obvious the statement I make, and no matter your qualifications on the topic at hand ( which appear substantial, which nearly guarantee's a more strident reaction ) will get you called names, labelled a "cornutroll ( whatever THAT is ) and subject you to various degree's of scorn and derision ( from some, not all I will admit ), all on just general principles.
The best way to solve this problem, from a new posters perspective is, right after agreeing with anything I say, chime in with, "So take that you cornutroll!" and it might just be enough to delay the "jump to conclusions" Pavlovian reaction among true believers long enough for you to develop a more complete picture of your positions and ideas. Just a thought. I certainly won't take it personally, when in Rome, etc etc.

[shortonsense]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Phildo', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('shortonsense', 'T')he best way to solve this problem, from a new posters perspective is, right after agreeing with anything I say, chime in with, "So take that you cornutroll!" and it might just be enough to delay the "jump to conclusions" Pavlovian reaction among true believers long enough for you to develop a more complete picture of your positions and ideas. Just a thought. I certainly won't take it personally, when in Rome, etc etc.

[Phildo]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('shortonsense', 'T')hey do....they do. This place appears to have less the pure groupthink, cult of personality going on that at least one of the other sites does, so its not all bad. There are quite a few moderates and some outright optimists, and those who disagree seem to get a fair shake in terms of finding their voice, with occasional exceptions, but all around, not all bad.

[JustaGirl]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Phildo', 's')nip
Rather sad, overall.

[Phildo]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('JustaGirl', 'I') hope you don't mind me butting in..
My last straw with LATOC was when they managed to drive Jeromie away. He was actually quite the doomer in many of his posts, if you ask me, but because he thought that the US might get by without a major dieoff, well by gosh he must be a troll! --snip--
Luckily he has found his way over here, though I don't see him post much. I wish he would offer more posts, especially on the financial side of things.