[Arthur75]

Nice synthesis, agree on most if not all of the points, so qualify as a moderate in that sense.


(Except when I see a fast crash coming !
That could be the result if many systems crash, due for instance to a serious resource war that would mess up the resource base even more.)

[davep]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Dr. Ofellati', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('davep', '
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I'm sorry, but what's Poly U? Are you talking about some kind of light tunnel from the roof? Or a passive thermal collector?

And who wants to live in a house with no windows?!

[blukatzen]

I guess I count myself in with the moderates. I do see rioting, etc, happening, but that is the outcome of the economy, not just "peakoil" and it's relativity to such. (It's not going to happen overnight, like aforementioned.)

I would say the only wild card in this whole scenario is the weather. Highly unpredictable. We didn't have the greatest growing season here in the mid-upper Midwest this year. Lots of rain, but lots of coolness as well. I'm trying to get our growers for our garden centers to grow more shorter-season tomatoes. I remember my customers complaining in early August that they were a month behind where their tomatoes should have been. And it started in with an early Autumn this year, hardly any Indian Summer.

That would be a problem for the food supply, but then we'd have to switch to short-season, or more cool-tolerant crops, which is where I think we're headed, here in the Chicagoland region.

As to Ludi's comments about having an Urban and Rural homestead situation, there's LOTS of folks here in the Chicagoland area that have a "summer cottage" or "summer home" in the surrounding areas, in Michigan, in Indiana, in Wisconsin. Some of those folks came from there, and inherited land, so they're in luck. And they KNOW it as well! FYI.

Hope everyone's harvest went well!

Blu

[Ludi]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('blukatzen', '
')As to Ludi's comments about having an Urban and Rural homestead situation, there's LOTS of folks here in the Chicagoland area that have a "summer cottage" or "summer home" in the surrounding areas,

[blukatzen]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Ludi', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('blukatzen', '
')As to Ludi's comments about having an Urban and Rural homestead situation, there's LOTS of folks here in the Chicagoland area that have a "summer cottage" or "summer home" in the surrounding areas,

[Ludi]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('blukatzen', '
')None of those folks are "rich" or ever would be rich, but there's a fair amount of folks that have opted to buy a second property "outside" of where they make their home, here in the City, or in the surrounding Suburbs of Chicago.

[sparky]

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[ think anyone who is 100% certain of the way this will unfold is a fool. I think it's possible to be a peak oil moderate
but not completely close off the possibility of both fast-crash scenarios and something resembling technofix steady-state.]

that's the mainline bet , some care should be taken that the adjustment might have discontinuities
( IE sh.t hit the fan ) such as geopolitical aggro , disastrous global harvest or plain bad luck

I see the curve as a downward staircase , period of relative quiet , or even rising standard punctuated by steep crisis

It would be uneven across the globe , some societies could even come out OK ,
but for the rest , populist politics will toss every societies about , keeping the peace will be the key ,
if the suburbs riot seriously , then things become sticky !


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[coyote]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Ludi', 'T')o me that looks "rich," but I'm lower middle class myself. People who have so much spare money they can "opt to buy a second property" look rich to me.

[thuja]

By the way- a moderate can live in the country, the city or even the suburbs. There is no stupid rule about having to live rurally to survive and thrive.

[Ludi]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('pstarr', 'a') big steamy hearty plate of of either chipped beef and turkey tetrazinni for dinner.

[Ludi]

Yeah, you'll definitely get the hotties in the future if you promise them meat every day. But really it depends on the quality of the meat, not necessarily the quantity.

[Dr. Ofellati]

I had woodchuck the other day for the first time.

The indefatigable hang-ups of my suburban past made it quite a challenge.

[Dr. Ofellati]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('pstarr', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Dr. Ofellati', 'I') had woodchuck the other day for the first time.

The indefatigable hang-ups of my suburban past made it quite a challenge.

[Revi]

When I lived in Guatemala I used to eat squirrel on a stick. It was roasted over a fire, and it was acturally quite tasty.

I ate all sorts of things down there including mico, tepesquintle and baby wasps from the comb.

It was quite an education.