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Re: on the brink, will economic inequality lead to revolution?

Postby mos6507 » Tue 03 Nov 2009, 11:41:39

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('rangerone314', 'O')ne could argue the whole purpose for "civilization" as opposed to hunter-gatherers (who generally seemed to be able to support themselves at a lower population level) is to create a huge labor force of human beast-of-burdens to labor to keep a tiny portion of elites in material comfort.


As much as BAU may be disfunctional, people in the 1st world do much too much complaining about their status in life. That we don't have our own personal yachts the way the "banksters" do doesn't change the fact that in many respects even the lower class in the 1st world have more comfort today than the kings of old.
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Re: on the brink, will economic inequality lead to revolution?

Postby rangerone314 » Tue 03 Nov 2009, 11:57:26

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('mos6507', 'A')s much as BAU may be disfunctional, people in the 1st world do much too much complaining about their status in life. That we don't have our own personal yachts the way the "banksters" do doesn't change the fact that in many respects even the lower class in the 1st world have more comfort today than the kings of old.
+1 True But I didn't exclude 3rd/2nd? world civilization. Mexico has same issue, but with more poor people. India to greater extent.

A poor person in the 1st world might give up their dead end job and crappy crime-ridden home in the projects to trade places with a king of old like Louis XIV who had servants to dress him in the morning and even wipe his @$$.

I also wonder if on some level "people in the 1st world do much too much complaining about their status in life" because on some level they are afraid that that the banksters & allied looters will reduce life here to the 3rd world in the future.

I got a neat idea. All the young middle-class European-originated people in the US should emigrate back to Europe which will solve Europe's demographic issues (age & Eurabia). All the rich people and old white folks left behind can just hope the younger minorities who are left behind will take care of them. The Mexicans could have their "Aztlan".
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Re: on the brink, will economic inequality lead to revolution?

Postby Ludi » Tue 03 Nov 2009, 21:17:42

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('pup55', 't')here is nothing to stop the moms (it is, the moms, isn't it?}



That's right, they reproduce by parthenogenesis. No men are required in the production of offspring.
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Re: on the brink, will economic inequality lead to revolution?

Postby IgnoranceIsBliss » Tue 03 Nov 2009, 23:53:48

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Ludi', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('pup55', 't')here is nothing to stop the moms (it is, the moms, isn't it?}
That's right, they reproduce by parthenogenesis. No men are required in the production of offspring.
Exactly. Why do we always bash the "welfare queens" but not the kings? Grrrr.
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Re: On the brink, will economic inequality lead to revolution?

Postby IgnoranceIsBliss » Tue 03 Nov 2009, 23:58:38

You would be surprised by the average % of kids receiving free or reduced lunch for each state. Many states in the South average around 50%.

My county in Georgia is at 55%, and the Superindendent recently said that even the most affluent school here is at 33% free/ reduced. The percentages have jumped in recent years for sure.

I still think the average person has no idea how deeply impoverished some areas in the US are, often right on the other side of town. If you took people on a tour, they would first act shocked and upset (gasp - I had no idea people were living like this!), but then it would become clear that they really don't care.
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Re: On the brink, will economic inequality lead to revolution?

Postby Roy » Wed 04 Nov 2009, 11:42:32

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'Y')ou would be surprised by the average % of kids receiving free or reduced lunch for each state. Many states in the South average around 50%. My county in Georgia is at 55%
Yep same here. And has anybody looked closely at exactly what they're serving in those free lunches? Nasty.$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'I') still think the average person has no idea how deeply impoverished some areas in the US are, often right on the other side of town. If you took people on a tour, they would first act shocked and upset (gasp - I had no idea people were living like this!), but then it would become clear that they really don't care.
Excellent observation and I agree 100%. I think it might have something to do with the popular meme in the US that if a person is poor, it is only their own fault.
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Re: On the brink, will economic inequality lead to revolution?

Postby pup55 » Wed 04 Nov 2009, 14:48:50

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'W')hy do we always bash the "welfare queens" but not the kings? Grrrr


Sorry for the politically incorrect slipup.... Of course, there is a mechanism, the child support system, for tracking down the deadbeat dads..... and after about a couple, the deadbeat dads probably ought to be neutered....

I have more to add on this issue, but the original topic was economic inequality, and all I am saying is that there is a system, and a culture in place that encourages a permanent American underclass.... there are plenty of incentives in place for all concerned....

This underclass starts out the life process with two strikes against them in a dozen ways, and the system is self-perpetuating.... even after the reforms of the 90's that supposedly made it a bit better....

As long as you have this in place, the whole society is vulnerable....
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Re: On the brink, will economic inequality lead to revolution?

Postby rangerone314 » Wed 04 Nov 2009, 15:18:11

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('pup55', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'W')hy do we always bash the "welfare queens" but not the kings? Grrrr
Sorry for the politically incorrect slipup.... Of course, there is a mechanism, the child support system, for tracking down the deadbeat dads..... and after about a couple, the deadbeat dads probably ought to be neutered....
I have more to add on this issue, but the original topic was economic inequality, and all I am saying is that there is a system, and a culture in place that encourages a permanent American underclass.... there are plenty of incentives in place for all concerned....
This underclass starts out the life process with two strikes against them in a dozen ways, and the system is self-perpetuating.... even after the reforms of the 90's that supposedly made it a bit better.... As long as you have this in place, the whole society is vulnerable....
Either a zero-tolerance policy on drug users and sellers (where they are all basically executed) OR legalizing most illegal drugs would eliminate much of the bad environment for the underclass.

Eliminating LOCAL property taxes as the funding source for public schools and using STATE funds instead would go a long way towards both making funding more equitable as well as diminishing some of the incentive for people to move to more expensive neighborhoods for better schools. Other logic of using state or Federal funds to create better schools is that the illiterate a bad system creates can always move out of the area later where the illiterate was educated.

No one has the stomach or political will to do what would actually produce results.
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Re: On the brink, will economic inequality lead to revolution?

Postby sittinguy » Wed 04 Nov 2009, 15:31:04

I completely agree with some of the last few posts. I comend PUP for saying what alot of people think.

My 21 year old sister brought home some new freid the other night that I met and she has 3 kids from 3 different guys, She pretty much does not have to work for the rest of her life.
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Re: On the brink, will economic inequality lead to revolution?

Postby Cloud9 » Wed 04 Nov 2009, 22:17:04

Looks like the price of food may be going up.

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Re: On the brink, will economic inequality lead to revolution?

Postby careinke » Thu 05 Nov 2009, 13:53:45

Sterilization for dead beat dads? I like it! After that becomes acceptable, I would add a few more crimes individual should be sterilized for Rape, is an obvious choice, then all convicted felons, crack addicts....

Then we may want to entertain sterilization for anyone needing public assistance. After all, we all know that once people go on the dole, they tend to stay on the dole for generations. Why not break the pattern.

Then there is the problem with all those people that are born with a genetic disease like downs syndrome. Sterilization would help remove that scourge from the earth.

Finally we could go after all those ugly people..........Wait! That's me!!!

I guess you have to figure out where to draw the line.
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Re: On the brink, will economic inequality lead to revolution?

Postby rangerone314 » Thu 05 Nov 2009, 14:10:24

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('careinke', 'S')terilization for dead beat dads? I like it! After that becomes acceptable, I would add a few more crimes individual should be sterilized for Rape, is an obvious choice, then all convicted felons, crack addicts....

Then we may want to entertain sterilization for anyone needing public assistance. After all, we all know that once people go on the dole, they tend to stay on the dole for generations. Why not break the pattern.

Then there is the problem with all those people that are born with a genetic disease like downs syndrome. Sterilization would help remove that scourge from the earth.

Finally we could go after all those ugly people..........Wait! That's me!!!

I guess you have to figure out where to draw the line.

Letting people starve to death would also break the pattern.
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Re: On the brink, will economic inequality lead to revolution?

Postby mos6507 » Fri 06 Nov 2009, 03:55:45

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('careinke', '
')I guess you have to figure out where to draw the line.


I would say that using the slippery slope argument as a reason to do nothing will just result in Gaia doing the dirty work for us in a way that will make forced sterilization seem like a slap on the wrist.
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Re: On the brink, will economic inequality lead to revolution?

Postby pup55 » Fri 06 Nov 2009, 11:07:12

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'S')terilization for dead beat dads? I like it! After that becomes acceptable, I would add a few more crimes individual should be sterilized for Rape, is an obvious choice, then all convicted felons, crack addicts....


Well, it seems kinda harsh, I have to admit.. but here is the thinking.... If you are asking the government, literally at gunpoint, to take money away from hard working people like me, to support a litter of kids that some guy fathers and is unable to support.... then it starts to make sense for the goverment to also have the ability to put a stop to that crap so that the practice does not continue.....Same goes for the moms. Spaying, they call it I guess...

Rape? That is a slightly different issue. Publicly televised castration without anesthesia in certain cases is probably a more appropriate penalty. Depends on the case. We will put it on right before or after Ultimate Fighting. The commercial revenue will be used for victim counseling.

Crack? I suppose that if you get loaded, and then OD, and show up in an emergency room and have to ask the government, that is, hard-working me, who is being forced at gunpoint to pay taxes, to take care of you, then you should have to perform some appropriate service to pay us back.....If you choose to spend your afternoons in the back yard getting high on crack, and not work, and expect the government to take tax money from me, and give it to you so that you do not starve, .... we can't really have that either, can we? I will have to search my soul for a solomon-like pound of flesh that we can extract from you in exchange for me feeding you, if you choose to do this while you are still young and frisky instead of find a job of some type.....

Side point: I would be delighted to sit in my backyard and drink beer and have the government send me money, and expect nothing in return, but I will have to wait 11 years (if social security still exists by that time) for me to get to do it. Hopefully I will still be good looking.

Right now, stupidly, in the case of reproduction, we have the government enabling the personal irresponsibility, and not expecting anything in return. How does that make sense?

You should either pull the plug on the welfare, and get the government out of peoples lives, and let them sink or swim or starve or get loaded and OD if they want, which in a way would be desirable, or insist on your pound of flesh from the dads, and moms, if need be....and use the proceeds to make sure those little kids are responsibly taken care of and do not turn into criminals.....

The guy Howard Ruff pointed out years ago that people have figured out how to vote themselves benefits out of the treasury, without any additional responsibility on their part.

Here is the worst part.... not to be changing the subject: but if you are a banker, and have managed to make a bunch of stupid decisions and run your bank into the ground, why should the government bail you out? Why would we not be outraged if they raided my 401K so some fatass can comfortably go to his mansion in the Hamptons this afternoon and look at the TIVO of the Real Housewives" last night? I have no mansion. I have no Tivo. Here is why: The cowardly government got the money from someone who would not complain about it: The nation's 3-year olds.

If it was so important that this deal be done, why did not the government come to me and say "pup55, it is important that we do this, therefore we are going to have to charge you and everyone else in the country $100K to keep the whole system running"...... The reason is, they would have been immediately rounded up and driven into the Potomac for being the rats that they are.

What I am afraid that they are instead doing is just inflating the currency, costing me $100,000 in deferred consumption since my 2025 dollars will be worth much less, and not telling me that either....

Similarly, the Iraq War.... If this had been so important, so vital to spend a trillion dollars to attack a nation of 22 million goat herders.... why did they not come to us and say "pay up, $100K each of you"....and oh, by the way, contribute your first born son or daughter to the war effort.... same reason.... there is no way, in those terms, that they could have gotten the job done.....so they were cowards and took the easy way out. They took it "off budget", and asked our so-called professional army of mercenaries plus a lot of civilian contractors to do it for us. You know what Machiavelli said about mercenaries.....

So that is why the system is going to come to a screeching halt someday.....There is a disconnect between the government service and the cost. The government mammary gland is finite, someone is finally going to have to have the courage to come forward and ask us to sacrifice, and then, being the animals we are, all hell will break loose.... like it should have years ago...

Sorry for threadjacking this into a rant.....but it is the "hell breaking loose" we are talking about, isn't it?
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Re: On the brink, will economic inequality lead to revolution?

Postby beamofthewave » Fri 06 Nov 2009, 23:26:01

For the banksters the government tit seems to be infinite, by comparison the rest of us seem to be getting some other fluid from somewhere other than a mammary gland.

I have to agree though that Gaia shall take care of the population problem. why doesnt the .gov just offer people a shotgun for sterilization. Works in India, bet it would work here too.
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Re: On the brink, will economic inequality lead to revolution?

Postby mos6507 » Sat 07 Nov 2009, 03:38:33

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('beamofthewave', 'F')or the banksters the government tit seems to be infinite, by comparison the rest of us seem to be getting some other fluid from somewhere other than a mammary gland.


ORLY? Didn't we just pass an extension to unemployment benefits?
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Re: On the brink, will economic inequality lead to revolution?

Postby eXpat » Sat 07 Nov 2009, 11:52:25

Looks like something out of a dystopian film
As The Billionaires Plunder Alabama, U.S. Troops Occupy Towns…Illegally
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'E')ditor’s Note: The shocking transfer of public wealth to Wall Street’s pockets is illustrated vividly in Mark Ames’ article below, which covers some very disturbing recent events in Alabama, where billionaires and banks are squeezing the locals so hard that they’re literally going bankrupt just for flushing their toilets, where violence and the threat of violence are reaching a boiling point and where even the Posse Comitatus Act is under threat.

One of this year’s more disturbing stories that were ignored was the illegal Army occupation of Samson, Alab., in March following a shooting spree that raged across two towns by a disgruntled worker, leaving 11 people dead.

As I wrote at the time, Michael McLendon, 27, went on a killing rampage following years of relentless corporate exploitation and harassment against him, his mother (whom he mercy-killed), and the entire rural Alabama region, which suffered like so many parts of rural America at the hands of billionaire goons like chicken oligarch Bo Pilgrim of Pilgrim’s Pride notoriety.

One of the creepiest details to emerge in the shooting rampage were reports that troops from nearby Fort Rucker were brought into Samson and other surrounding areas to patrol the streets. This is a clear violation of the Posse Comitatus Act, every freedom-loving American’s worst nightmare.

And now, finally, the Army officially agrees that its occupation of the Alabama streets was illegal, according to an internal report the Associated Press got a hold of, following a Freedom of Information Act filing:
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In its 190-year history, Jefferson County, Ala., has endured a cholera epidemic, a pounding in the Civil War, gunslingers, labor riots and terrorism by the Ku Klux Klan. Now this namesake of Thomas Jefferson, anchored by Birmingham, is staring at what one local politician calls financial “Armageddon.”

The spectacle — a tax struck down, about 1,000 county employees furloughed, a politician indicted over $3 billion in sewer debt that may lead to the largest municipal bankruptcy in history — has elbowed its way up the ladder of county lore.

“People want to kill somebody, but they don’t know who to shoot at,” says Russell Cunningham, past president of the Birmingham Regional Chamber of Commerce.

Jefferson County’s debacle is a parable for billions of dollars lost by state and local governments from Florida to California in transactions done behind closed doors. Selling debt without requiring competition made public officials vulnerable to bankers’ sales pitches, leaving taxpayers to foot the bill for borrowing gone awry.

[T]he county bet on interest-rate swaps, agreements that a representative of New York-based JPMorgan Chase & Co. told commissioners could reduce their interest costs. Instead, the swaps — covering more than $5 billion in all — blew up during the credit crisis after ratings for the county’s bond insurers fell.

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Re: On the brink, will economic inequality lead to revolution?

Postby mos6507 » Sat 07 Nov 2009, 12:01:16

I love the spin of that article that seems to glorify the guy who went on a shooting rampage.

I know some people are hardwired these days to see everything that plays out in anti-authoritarian terms, but in the meantime, innocent people are dying, and the dipshits going postal are the ones who should be blamed, not TPTB.
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Re: On the brink, will economic inequality lead to revolution?

Postby Ludi » Sun 08 Nov 2009, 07:24:02

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('eXpat', '
')“People want to kill somebody, but they don’t know who to shoot at,” says Russell Cunningham, past president of the Birmingham Regional Chamber of Commerce.



Maybe they should consider shooting at the Chamber of Commerce, which represents corporate interests .
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Re: On the brink, will economic inequality lead to revolution?

Postby pup55 » Mon 09 Nov 2009, 09:52:51

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'T')he spectacle — a tax struck down, about 1,000 county employees furloughed, a politician indicted over $3 billion in sewer debt that may lead to the largest municipal bankruptcy in history — has elbowed its way up the ladder of county lore


Let's look into this a bit....

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Larry_Langford

This is the guy that got them into the problem: The EPA was onto Jefferson County for allowing sewage to get into the local water system. They needed to raise money, they decided rather than go to the people and ask for new taxes they would borrow the money, and there was some backdealing on the financing and brokering of this deal that caused money to wind up in the pocket of Langford, who has been convicted on 101 counts of bribery and polical corruption.

For doing such a wonderful job in Jefferson County in the 2002-2005 time frame he was elected to Mayor of Birningham, where he brought the same kind of magic to the budget in Birmingham as well.... nice work if you can get it. He is a former TV reporter as well....

Here is the current county commission of Jefferson County...

http://jeffconline.jccal.org/home/news/commission.html/73409395/Article.aspx

The chairman: former Real estate person, Republican National Committeewoman for Alabama
Lawyer/career politician/former school guidance counselor
TV anchor woman, journalism degree, born in Flint MI....SCLC and NAACP leader
Former fireman (25 years with the city), with an associates degree in fire science...
Former Engineer, hardcore republican well entwined with the statewide and national republican party...

So you have two members that are pro-development/anti tax, the good old boy fireman, and two "urbanites".....

In essence, the "swing vote", as it were, to get anything accomplished in this wonderful area comes down to that of the good old boy fireman.....

The whole growth strategy in these sunbelt towns is as follows: Set the budget about 6% higher than you can afford. Do not go to the public and ask for more tax money. Instead, you borrow the money, and you count on 7% growth over the time you need to pay it back, and all is well, you let the real estate people take over, they build new houses and the homeowners pay taxes, and as long as the growth exceeds your budget deficit, you are in business. The real estate people are happy, you are happy because you can provide goverment services without having to raise taxes, and no one is the wiser, right?

So the two fundamental assumptions are:(a) Growth will last forever, real estate will always go up in value and we will always have an endless stream of new homeowners. (b) We do not feel like raising taxes, and we do not have to as long as there are another 10,000 new houses next year....

Throw in a bit of graft, and you can see where this is an accident waiting to happen....some unexpected expense comes up, you can only tap into the fantasy land of infinite economic growth for so long, and you are in a heap-a- trouble, son, as they might say down there......
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