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THE Unemployment Thread pt 2 (merged)

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Re: Even the Part-Time Jobs are Disappearing

Unread postby joelchicago » Fri 25 Sep 2009, 08:48:11

This kind of stuff really is making me upset. It's not scary anymore, it's angering. I'm in a company that has been reducing headcount for a year, then a few weeks ago announced outsourcing of manufacturing and more layoffs, even division closure. This is a long-time profitable, solid company. Where will those workers go now, and what are we as a company going to really do here?

I've always lived within my means and I've been debt free since my 20's (except a modest mortgage). I used to take pride in that, and figure I was being a good citizen. Now I realize I'm just the one that will pay more taxes to help out everyone else who I saw living a lot better than me the past 10 years.

Australia you say. Hmm. I'm an engineer.... :)
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Re: Even the Part-Time Jobs are Disappearing

Unread postby vision-master » Fri 25 Sep 2009, 09:13:04

The beer is better and the Woman are finer. :-D
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Re: Even the Part-Time Jobs are Disappearing

Unread postby SeaGypsy » Fri 25 Sep 2009, 09:22:30

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('vision-master', 'T')he beer is better and the Woman are finer. :-D


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Re: Even the Part-Time Jobs are Disappearing

Unread postby Sixstrings » Fri 25 Sep 2009, 09:24:06

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('vision-master', 'T')he beer is better and the Woman are finer. :-D

And don't forget the vegemite sandwiches!
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Re: Even the Part-Time Jobs are Disappearing

Unread postby VMarcHart » Fri 25 Sep 2009, 09:35:44

A real jewel of an article. Good find!

I don't know if one day we'll simply witness the collapse of the US. I don't think it will be an overnight event. But the slow degradation is now noticeable. From education, health, savings, environment, etc.

It must be like living in Rome during the downhill decades, with the rich living large and the poor barely making ends meet. This is sad, but historical nevertheless.

One difference back then is that people had places to go, as in physical open spaces to start new villages across the continent or even farther. Where will the 6.7B go?
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Re: Even the Part-Time Jobs are Disappearing

Unread postby jdmartin » Fri 25 Sep 2009, 09:56:56

Good article. About mirrors my feelings and what I've been saying for years. It's really just common sense, doesn't take a genius to figure it out, but it's nice to see someone with some standing (even if he did work for Reagan :lol: ) to say it out loud in the press.
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Re: Even the Part-Time Jobs are Disappearing

Unread postby Sixstrings » Fri 25 Sep 2009, 10:03:09

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('VMarcHart', 'A') real jewel of an article. Good find!

I don't know if one day we'll simply witness the collapse of the US. I don't think it will be an overnight event. But the slow degradation is now noticeable. From education, health, savings, environment, etc.

It must be like living in Rome during the downhill decades, with the rich living large and the poor barely making ends meet. This is sad, but historical nevertheless.

One difference back then is that people had places to go, as in physical open spaces to start new villages across the continent or even farther. Where will the 6.7B go?


Yeah, it's all bits and pieces of pretty much everything we've all been collectively saying here in the economics forum. It's just really nice to hear someone from inside THE SYSTEM (the former undersecretary of treasury no less) come out and say it too.

As for collapse.. I don't see that happening. What I do see happening is more of the same.. rich getting richer, poor getting poorer. We may get to the way of life of some Latin American countries, where the rich live within walled and guarded compounds.

I would say our only hope is our propensity for innovation.. but then, it seems like so much of the tech innovation just doesn't employ many people (and a lot of that industry has been / is being outsourced). Look at our modern-day giants, like Google.. how many people do they employ, eh? It's nothing on the scale of old school giants like the auto companies. Or all the factories that used to supply the world with clothes, tv's, radios, everything used to be "made in the USA."

IT is all about automation and efficiency.. so where will the jobs come from?
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Re: Even the Part-Time Jobs are Disappearing

Unread postby Daniel_Plainview » Fri 25 Sep 2009, 10:14:23

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'A')mericans cannot get any truth out of their government about anything, the economy included. Americans are being driven into the ground economically, with one million school children now homeless, while Federal Reserve chairman Ben Bernanke announces that the recession is over.

The spin that masquerades as news is becoming more delusional.


Not only are Bendover Bernanke & Co. deceitful, but they are spending multi-trillions to actively perpetuate the frauds and delusions ... when they know (or should know) that they are only worsening the long-term prognosis of this sickly beast.

And yet the sheeple (and even some members of this website) are eager to embrace these illusions ... and to wallow in the delusional belief that the green shoots are upon us ...
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Re: Even the Part-Time Jobs are Disappearing

Unread postby MarkJ » Fri 25 Sep 2009, 10:40:44

A major issue in many local regions is that our suburban job, housing and commercial growth really doesn't benefit the uneducated, poorly educated, unskilled, semi-skilled and transportation challenged job seekers.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', '[')b]A Rising Tide of Poverty

Tech Valley's Economic Gains Bypassing Inner Cities

The census numbers are clear. The contrast is stark. Increasingly, the Capital Region is developing into a place populated by haves and have-nots.

While suburbs and many city neighborhoods have mostly prospered, some inner-city sections of Albany, Schenectady and Troy are like doughnut holes -- up to 10 times poorer than areas surrounding them, according to U.S. census data.

And experts say there has been no trickle-down effect for poorer households here. Urban poverty is rising while upstate growth centered on Tech Valley continues.

Economic integration is so lacking that roughly a third of Albany, Schenectady and Troy residents currently survive on less than $20,650 a year, the federal poverty level for a family of four, according to recent census estimates.

"The numbers keep climbing," said Harris Oberlander, CEO of Trinity Institution, a social service agency in Albany. Oberlander saw Trinity's food pantries in Arbor Hill and the South End serve 4,700 people last year -- a mind- number, he said.

In Albany's West Hill, impoverishment rose from 21 percent 31 percent from 1980 to 2000, census data show. One South End tract jumped to 45 percent poverty during that time.

That compares to less than 10 percent poor in adjacent Bethlehem. Bethlehem's median household income was $63,168 in 2000, compared to $16,158 in the South End neighborhood between Madison and Fourth avenues.

Exacerbating the problem locally, experts say, is a severe housing shortage.

"There's a real big disparity between what people make and what the rents are," said Maria Markovics of United Tenants of Albany. "A lot of people just aren't making it."

Investors who might make a difference aren't coming into areas like Schenectady's impoverished Hamilton Hill, observers say.

Instead, scores of two-family homes have been chopped up into smaller apartments to make quick profits for nonresidents, Schenectady Mayor Brian U. Stratton said. "Absentee landlords are our worst nightmare."

But if, as some economists argue, a "rising tide lifts all boats," why haven't the Capital Region's inner cities benefited from wealth that surrounds them?

Exchanges are rare, experts say, and often restricted to suburban commuters driving through poor neighborhoods on their way to work.

"There's really no connection between the suburbanite and inner city," said Robert Jones, associate professor of economics and chair of the Economics Department at Skidmore College.

Suburbanites "don't shop, except for lunches. In the older days, the big department stores were downtown."


Trickle down economics creates many unskilled jobs, but these jobs are often filled by suburban teens, college students and young adults still living at home, many of which work multiple part-time, temporary or seasonal jobs.
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Re: Even the Part-Time Jobs are Disappearing

Unread postby vision-master » Fri 25 Sep 2009, 10:47:17

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'T')rickle down economics creates many unskilled jobs, but these jobs are often filled by suburban teens, college students and young adults still living at home, many of which work multiple part-time, temporary or seasonal jobs.


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Re: Even the Part-Time Jobs are Disappearing

Unread postby VMarcHart » Fri 25 Sep 2009, 11:08:57

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'T')he census numbers are clear. The contrast is stark. Increasingly, the Capital Region is developing into a place populated by haves and have-nots.
And many of the haves I know think the line separating them from the have-nots will not move towards themselves. It's like they think the have-nots grew up aspiring to be have-nots and therefore they are have-nots solely because of themselves. What an illusion!

I have a wonderful and priveleged life, and work towards preserving it, but I know it would take very little for me to become a permanent have-not. Hence why the single-payer universal healthcare system is a must to act as a safety net for those of us who will be or already are in despair.
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Re: Even the Part-Time Jobs are Disappearing

Unread postby vision-master » Fri 25 Sep 2009, 11:13:45

Lot's of Baby Boomer's who lose their jobs are screwed do to our current health care. system.
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Re: Even the Part-Time Jobs are Disappearing

Unread postby DomusAlbion » Fri 25 Sep 2009, 12:06:28

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Is that QEII working at McD's :lol:
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Re: Even the Part-Time Jobs are Disappearing

Unread postby Maddog78 » Fri 25 Sep 2009, 12:18:06

Yes. :-D
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Re: Even the Part-Time Jobs are Disappearing

Unread postby Homesteader » Fri 25 Sep 2009, 12:31:22

Gosh, the skin on her hands looks like a 20 y.o. How does she do it?
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Re: Even the Part-Time Jobs are Disappearing

Unread postby DomusAlbion » Fri 25 Sep 2009, 12:35:38

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Homesteader', 'G')osh, the skin on her hands looks like a 20 y.o. How does she do it?


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Re: Even the Part-Time Jobs are Disappearing

Unread postby eXpat » Fri 25 Sep 2009, 13:03:48

I understand there are some vacancies in the census office in Kentucky .
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Re: Even the Part-Time Jobs are Disappearing

Unread postby efarmer » Fri 25 Sep 2009, 13:12:31

It is hard to say if that is the Queen or not. One would have to place
their hand on her lower back and see if it made the media go insane
to really find out.

Saw a documentary about Ray Kroc and McDonald's last night.
He would fly over emerging suburbia in the 50's and 60's and
use church steeples as a guide for where to put franchises.

I had a cup of tea at McDonald's recently, and based on this
direct experience, I am forced to say she is not the Queen,
she simply would not stand for a funky orange pekoe bag in
a foam cup of tepid water instead of a proper cup, properly
served.
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Re: Even the Part-Time Jobs are Disappearing

Unread postby vision-master » Fri 25 Sep 2009, 15:04:15

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('eXpat', 'I') understand there are some vacancies in the census office in Kentucky .
http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5jbzG_BlkG2Hfc818EPRRn1bBlP6gD9AT9L3O0


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Re: Even the Part-Time Jobs are Disappearing

Unread postby Buggy » Fri 25 Sep 2009, 18:10:09

+1. You're where I'm at. I'm just angry. Every headline pisses me off, but I don't even know who is telling the truth anymore. CNBC? Bloomberg? Chris Martenson? Kunstler? Schiffer? Faber, Simmons? I hate this. I see they're gonna be bailing out the smaller banks initially deemed small enough to fail as well, they've extended unemployment for another 13 weeks for most states, and we will be sending more troops to Afghanistan. I know what Bernanke, Geithner and Obama are doing is wrong, that it is the equivelant of the Romans pillaging the conquered, and that we will pay, but when, and who? I know that the second the Chinese stop buying our debt the game is over, but isn't it over for them too? I believe there will be a revolution, but does anybody even know what they will be dying for?

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('joelchicago', 'T')his kind of stuff really is making me upset. It's not scary anymore, it's angering. I'm in a company that has been reducing headcount for a year, then a few weeks ago announced outsourcing of manufacturing and more layoffs, even division closure. This is a long-time profitable, solid company. Where will those workers go now, and what are we as a company going to really do here?

I've always lived within my means and I've been debt free since my 20's (except a modest mortgage). I used to take pride in that, and figure I was being a good citizen. Now I realize I'm just the one that will pay more taxes to help out everyone else who I saw living a lot better than me the past 10 years.

Australia you say. Hmm. I'm an engineer.... :)
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