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Re: Racial Tensions

Postby vision-master » Sun 16 Aug 2009, 14:37:00

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('PrestonSturges', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('vision-master', '
')So, you hate whitey?

Ask your momma.


Her blood line goes back to King Eldred, the 1st King Of England and Gideon and Agnes Pond. :lol:
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Re: Racial Tensions

Postby PrestonSturges » Sun 16 Aug 2009, 14:42:37

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Cloud9', 'W')here would the Nation of Islam, Black Panthers and the Hebrew Israelites be placed on your diagram? The ultimate racism is to not be able to recognize the racist within one’s own group.


Actually not a lot Black Panthers on my diagram overlapping with white supremacists, republicans. Might be some libertarians in there, which I guess includes Alan Keyes.

As far as the Jews, I think the GOP has pretty much just wasted every penny they spent courting the Jewish vote when they started showing up at town halls with swastika signs. You're free to claim those were ironic swastikas or that they had little diagonal red lines over them, but Jews are very pissed off over it. And anyone carrying swastikas in any form should be prepared to be called a Nazi.
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Re: Racial Tensions

Postby PrestonSturges » Sun 16 Aug 2009, 14:44:56

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('vision-master', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('PrestonSturges', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('vision-master', '
')So, you hate whitey?

Ask your momma.

Her blood line goes back to King Eldred, the 1st King Of England and Gideon and Agnes Pond. :lol:
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There's one in every wood pile. You may not be nearly as white as you'd like to think. 8O
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Re: Racial Tensions

Postby vision-master » Sun 16 Aug 2009, 14:48:40

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('PrestonSturges', 'T')here's one in every wood pile. You may not be nearly as white as you'd like to think. 8O

Well, I do have some Jewish blood in me too. :P
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Re: Racial Tensions

Postby Cloud9 » Sun 16 Aug 2009, 15:04:52

The Hebrew Israelites I have met had little in common with the Jews in Israel. They were a murderous cult out of Miami.

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Re: Racial Tensions

Postby NTBKtrader » Sun 16 Aug 2009, 15:18:49

Preston, since racism is the result of a dominant population as you say what happens when whites become minorities? Should they be treated like they treated minorities? If they try and hang on to their wealth and power should it be stripped from them for the betterment of diversity? Also, should Jews be treated like the whites when they are a minority since Jews are white i.e. attack their browner neighbors in Palestine etc?
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Re: Racial Tensions

Postby PrestonSturges » Sun 16 Aug 2009, 15:45:07

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('NTBKtrader', 'P')reston, since racism is the result of a dominant population as you say what happens when whites become minorities? Should they be treated like they treated minorities? If they try and hang on to their wealth and power should it be stripped from them for the betterment of diversity? Also, should Jews be treated like the whites when they are a minority since Jews are white i.e. attack their browner neighbors in Palestine etc?

Well gosh, maybe their their best strategy will be to marry "up."
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Re: Racial Tensions

Postby NTBKtrader » Sun 16 Aug 2009, 15:47:40

I don't understand your answer.
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Re: Racial Tensions

Postby NTBKtrader » Sun 16 Aug 2009, 16:04:05

Pres I guess you are saying they should all intermarry well my answer is yes to all, it's karma and just the way it goes...sorry whites
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Re: Racial Tensions

Postby Cloud9 » Sun 16 Aug 2009, 16:26:52

If that is the prevailing attitude, then there is no hope. The answer is then yes, there will be a race war. Therefore, I will cling to my guns and my religion and my small town attitude. :cry:
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Re: Racial Tensions

Postby PrestonSturges » Sun 16 Aug 2009, 16:40:26

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Cloud9', 'I')f that is the prevailing attitude, then there is no hope. The answer is then yes, there will be a race war. Therefore, I will cling to my guns and my religion and my small town attitude. :cry:

Race war to prevent miscegenation? Are you thinking of fighting an armed enemy, or are you just going to kill "race traqitors?"
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Re: Racial Tensions

Postby Cloud9 » Sun 16 Aug 2009, 16:58:05

I was responding to the fellow that stated something about the end of white people. I saw the post and then it was gone. We have to resist every effort to end any body. That is madness.
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Re: Racial Tensions

Postby Cloud9 » Sun 16 Aug 2009, 16:59:58

Know what Preston, I misread the post.
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Re: Racial Tensions

Postby Pops » Sun 16 Aug 2009, 17:02:08

[quote="JohnDenver") Here's one. About a week ago, Pops started a thread called Race Riots or Worse. In the thread itself, he just mentioned civil unrest, and steered clear of the race issue. So why use the title "Race Riots", Pops? Why is race on your mind? And why not talk about race, after naming a thread "Race Riots"? It's seems weird. It's like you want to talk about it, but not talk about it.[/quote]
Good question JD. In fact my thoughts regarding whites/politics/healthcare/msm are much the same as yours.

Race and politics are more subtly entwined and more skillfully played by partisans today than at most any point I remember. The kid flipping a bird wasn't my original thought for a picture, I wanted a picture of a bunch of angry white people screaming but ran out of time.

Funny you call me on it though.

Partisan drivel and worse here at PO.com has festered too long in my opinion and has become a detriment to our main goal of discussing energy depletion. The plain fact is there are lots of places to discuss politics, religion, race and not so many to discuss PO.

So I was mostly interested in hearing the people who spend lots of time talking about little but partisan politics, race, hate, etc to see if we can find a way we can all talk without scaring off people who actually want to educate themselves about energy.
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Re: Racial Tensions

Postby the48thronin » Sun 16 Aug 2009, 17:02:36

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Cloud9', 'I')f that is the prevailing attitude, then there is no hope. The answer is then yes, there will be a race war. Therefore, I will cling to my guns and my religion and my small town attitude. :cry:



Not to worry c9 that "all you whites are racist" stuff is no representative of the entirety of people of any color than those "Hebrew Israelites" were of all residents of Miami or for that matter mainstream Jewish populations anywhere.

It is now chic to call people racists if they don't fall into your clique of believers in government intervention. Nothing new about that,( it's been going on behind closed doors for a hundred years or more) except the volume and openness they are now displaying of their empty solutions.

"It's all YOUR fault" is an easy out for someone who has no solutions after all to those problems we all face.

Race war... it's all in their hands for now, start one or find some other war to use to encourage conformity to their outlandish requirements of new regulations and absolute control without any apparent workable solutions. People who have blamed race for all their failures in life need something to continue blaming.

When people who carry NO TO NAZI placards are called Nazis for saying so... then all possible communication is being cut off by those doing that.

Straw man arguments are the surest sign of lack of real argument.
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Re: Racial Tensions

Postby the48thronin » Sun 16 Aug 2009, 17:05:44

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Pops', 'P')artisan drivel and worse here at PO.com has festered too long in my opinion and has become a detriment to our main goal of discussing energy depletion. The plain fact is there are lots of places to discuss politics, religion, race and not so many to discuss PO.
So I was mostly interested in hearing the people who spend lots of time talking about little but partisan politics, race, hate, etc to see if we can find a way we can all talk without scaring off people who actually want to educate themselves about energy.

Thank you! The windmills also thank you!

as a side note,I wonder how much of this is true of any discussion of racism?

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Re: Racial Tensions

Postby venky » Sun 16 Aug 2009, 17:22:45

Racial tensions do exist in any society where several races and cultures coexist. For some people race matters a lot and they feel uncomfortable in the presence of people from other races, socializing with them, have an instinctive and intense dislike to race mixing. I of late spent time reading stormfront, the white nationalist website to see this attitude on display.

For other people race does not matter at all, they are those who clearly embrace a multicultural society, are proud of having friends from all races and cultures and do not consider it a factor at all when it comes relationships or socializing.

Most people I would think fall somewhere in between. In the United States for instance where up to 45% of whites could vote for a black man as the President shows that race is not a dominant issue for most people. And chances of a racial war are relatively low.

Barring major conflict, it is inevitable that due to demographic changes whites will constitute less than 50% of the population in the US (and perhaps other now white countries) in the relatively near future. It is crucial in order to avoid conflict and tensions , that boundaries be respected for those who prefer to stick to their own kind, race and populist politics not be played upon.
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Re: Racial Tensions

Postby PrestonSturges » Sun 16 Aug 2009, 17:58:15

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('the48thronin', 'W')hen people who carry NO TO NAZI placards are called Nazis for saying so... then all possible communication is being cut off by those doing that. Straw man arguments are the surest sign of lack of real argument.

Nope, not with white supremacists in an ecstasy of hatred over Obama, and they are convinced we are on the verge of the racial holy war.
I think the only time to carry "No Nazi" signs is when you are facing down some real Nazis. But simply saying anyone you disagree with is a Nazi is pretty offensive to everyone, and especially the Jews.

But also remember that the whole point of Nazism was that the "liberals" were the real "Nazis." That was Hitler's whole point, that the Nazis were merely acting in self defense. And Jonah Goldberg was dusting this off several years ago before anyone had heard of Obama, that liberals were the real "Fascists." Which was interesting because it was really then that Goldberg and parts of the GOP starting parroting Mein Kampf point for point.

So at what point do the folks show up with swastika signs that aren't using the little red diagonal line to show those are ironic swastikas and not "real" swastikas? Because from where I sit, it seems like these guys are way too excited about carrying swastika signs (not to mention pissing off the Jews.)
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Re: Racial Tensions

Postby PrestonSturges » Sun 16 Aug 2009, 18:00:10

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Cloud9', 'K')now what Preston, I misread the post.


Sorry for any misunderstanding
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Re: Racial Tensions

Postby NTBKtrader » Sun 16 Aug 2009, 19:57:39

Question though, is mixing the races really the cure for racism? India is highly mixed yet they still instituted the caste system/racial heirarchy...plenty of racism in other mixed countries as well such as brazil, mexico (against the native mayans still left) etc etc...
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