[eastbay]

http://www.oregonlive.com/hg/index.ssf/ ... commu.html

This is a taste of future community gardening. 1000 people on the waiting list for this. So I ask, is this the future of community gardening?

[ki11ercane]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('pstarr', 'T')ypically such gardens contribute little to total significant nutrition demand (there are few calories in green vegetables:1 pound=60 calories) but rather offer empowerment to the ghetto inhabitants. The notion that one can be self-sufficient from the land (and disconnect from the corrupt consumer society) is a powerful one that lessens the hold the Masters have on the Sheeple.

The vandals have done much to stir up a hornet's nest of discontent that has led in the past to revolution.

[Ferretlover]

The loss of the food (calories or no), the loss of the time, the effort, the seeds and the water: these are all a waste of resources.
IMHO, we cannot afford to waste anything anymore, and we must all get used to using the little bit here, the little bit there approach to providing for ourselves.. IOW, we ARE going to have to learn to live without the incredible number of products and processes that were made readily available by that wonderous resource, Oil.
Remember that thread a few days ago where the accompanying photo showed someone with a weapon protecting bread? Once something is done or seen or acted on, others feel less inhibited, and will adapt the actions/attitude to their own bit of land.

[Ferretlover]

You can't live on either if someone comes along and kills your veggies and wheat before you can harvest them.

[dinopello]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'N')eighbors who witnessed the vandalism refused to talk, saying they feared retribution.

[PrestonSturges]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('pstarr', 'T')hose sixteen garden plots contribute little (except discontent) to the city inhabitants. The aggregated garden can't be more than 2,500 sq. feet, just enough to feed one person.

These people would do better to join a Maoist Revolutionary Cell and really work for change

[Umber]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('ki11ercane', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('pstarr', 'T')ypically such gardens contribute little to total significant nutrition demand (there are few calories in green vegetables:1 pound=60 calories) but rather offer empowerment to the ghetto inhabitants. The notion that one can be self-sufficient from the land (and disconnect from the corrupt consumer society) is a powerful one that lessens the hold the Masters have on the Sheeple. The vandals have done much to stir up a hornet's nest of discontent that has led in the past to revolution.

[Daniel_Plainview]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('eastbay', 'h')ttp://www.oregonlive.com/hg/index.ssf/2009/08/vandals_destroy_portland_commu.html

This is a taste of future community gardening. 1000 people on the waiting list for this. So I ask, is this the future of community gardening?

[Arsenal]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('eastbay', 'S')o I ask, is this the future of community gardening?

[pedalling_faster]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Ferretlover', 'Y')ou can't live on either if someone comes along and kills your veggies and wheat before you can harvest them.

[eastbay]

I spent part of this morning cleaning off fresh gang graffiti from fences in our neighborhood. As I was powerwashing I had a thought about preventing costly garden vandalism. Currently, those responsible will be dealt a wrist slapping at most. They know this which is why they perform such acts without fear of arrest. So why not pay the local street gang a small protection fee. Seriously, check it out.

The cops obviously can't protect us now, the citizens are mostly afraid of intervening or reporting what they see, so imagine what it will be like a few years in the down the decaying road! I envision the newly recruited criminal street gang wanna be's and prospects would be assigned to stand guard as part of their initiation process. They wil stand vigilant guard duty because they want into the gang and screwing up an assignment as a recruit means Very Bad Things Will Happen to Them. So the gardens will be protected.

Everyone will be happy! No vandalism, the gang picks up a few bucks or some free food, and whomever attempts such destruction gets.... uh.... 'dealt with very quickly'.

[Ferretlover]

This could work as long as it is not the local street gang doing the vandalizin'

[eastbay]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Ferretlover', 'T')his could work as long as it is not the local street gang doing the vandalizin' ;0

[TheDude]

I wonder about the "fear of retribution" aspect too; maybe an answer is in the comments. (having read them all, not really) Teenage boredom in the PDX area has traditionally found its outlet in mindless destructive behavior, up to and including dropping rocks from freeway overpasses, which is why a good many of them have had wire enclosures for over a decade.

Assuming these are just punk kids with nothing better to do it frankly would be sweet to see them get the living crap pummeled out of them by a mob. Send a message in the process. Alternatively, one commenter suggested giving them the alternative of community service working in the garden, or erecting a fence around same.

Guarding the gardens could be a source of work for the unemployed, too; or food, anyway. As usual I'm lead to wonder what the answer to this problem has been in the rest of the world.

I started a thread once about potential "criminal" enterprises as a livelihood post-peak; didn't get much traffic. Paying protection money to gangs falls under that heading, up to a point. Many find topics like these inherently distasteful for some reason; they don't fit in with comfortable fantasies people entertain about some coming lo-tech utopia, I'd wager. Orlov's message is what I'm talking about; one's resourcefulness takes precedent above all else.

[Ferretlover]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('TheDude', 'A')ssuming these are just punk kids with nothing better to do it frankly would be sweet to see them get the living crap pummeled out of them by a mob

[dinopello]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('eastbay', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Ferretlover', 'T')his could work as long as it is not the local street gang doing the vandalizin' ;0

[eastbay]

FL,

Only one punk would have to end up like that for the destruction to cease.