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After the Warming - James Burke

Unread postby Cid_Yama » Fri 30 Jan 2009, 20:03:07

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In the style of James Burke's Connections series, it is truly excellent. Set in the future, it looks back at the history of Global Warming. Don't let it's age fool you, Burke had it right long before Gore, if perhaps a bit too optimistic.

After the Warming

I just saw a commercial just like in the documentary. Reality has just caught up.

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Re: After the Warming - James Burke

Unread postby Cid_Yama » Tue 03 Feb 2009, 20:59:43

James Burke Connections #1

Technology traps and the collapse of complex technological networks.
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Re: After the Warming - James Burke

Unread postby bluekachina » Mon 09 Feb 2009, 19:24:56

I am glad that I have no children. I would be sick to death at the world they will have to face.
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Re: After the Warming - James Burke

Unread postby bluekachina » Tue 10 Feb 2009, 21:23:36

Is this your first grandchild? What a wake up call. Even if you are not sure, surely you would err on the side of caution from now on.
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Re: After the Warming - James Burke

Unread postby Cid_Yama » Thu 12 Feb 2009, 04:10:29

Congrats, cbxer55.

I also have no children, thus no grandchildren. I count myself fortunate for this. I chose not to have children back in my day, because I didn't want to bring them into a world facing nuclear annihilation at any moment.

Thank God. Teach your grandchild whatever you can to enhance her survival. Good luck.
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Re: After the Warming - James Burke

Unread postby Cid_Yama » Thu 12 Feb 2009, 18:01:09

Another good Global Warming Video:

Goldilocks and the Greenhouse
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Re: After the Warming - James Burke

Unread postby Cid_Yama » Sun 22 Feb 2009, 23:11:39

Just found an excellent Teaching Guide to After the Warming.

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Just chock full of useful information.
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Re: After the Warming - James Burke

Unread postby bluekachina » Tue 24 Feb 2009, 20:10:16

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'I')f we all end up living under one roof, we could do worse.


A lot of that is happening around here. Everyone has family and friends who have lost their homes in the fires. I am enheartened that this has resulted in a greater sense of community.
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Re: After the Warming - James Burke

Unread postby Cid_Yama » Tue 03 Mar 2009, 04:01:46

They apparently have done a remake. If anyone knows if it is available on the internet, please let us know.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'A')rmstrong's film, called The Age of Stupid, is getting the world's largest ever official premiere, with the whole evening being beamed by satellite direct to 65 cinemas. And because climate change affects everyone, too, it is being billed as "the people's premiere"

There they will see a docu-drama set in Nigeria, Iraq and elsewhere starring Pete Postlethwaite - the man Stephen Spielberg called the best actor in the world - playing an old man looking back from a climate-changed future world to documentary footage shot in 2008.

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Re: After the Warming - James Burke

Unread postby vision-master » Tue 03 Mar 2009, 11:34:09

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('bluekachina', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'I')f we all end up living under one roof, we could do worse.


A lot of that is happening around here. Everyone has family and friends who have lost their homes in the fires. I am enheartened that this has resulted in a greater sense of community.


The Blue Star returned!

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', '&')quot;It was told to me that first the Blue Kachina would start to be seen at the dances, and would make his appearance known to the children in the plaza during the night dance. This event would tell us that the end times are very near. Then the Blue Star Kachina would physically appear in our heavens which would mean that we were in the end times.

"In the Final days we will look up in our heavens and we will witness the return of the two brothers who helped create this world in the birthing time. Poganghoya is the guardian of our North Pole and his Brother Palongawhoya is the guardian of the South pole. In the final days the Blue Star Kachina will come to be with his nephews and they will return the Earth to its natural rotation which is counter clock wise.

"This fact is evidenced in many petraglyphs that speak of the Zodiac, and within the Mayan and Egyptian pyramids. The rotation of the Earth has been manipulated by not so benevolent Star beings . The twins will be seen in our North Western skies. They will come and visit to see who still remembered the original teachings flying in their Patuwvotas, or flying shields. They will bring many of their star family with them in the final days.

"The return of the Blue Star Kachina who is also known as Nan ga sohu will be the alarm clock that tells us of the new day and new way of life, a new world that is coming. This is where the changes will begin. They will start as fires that burn within us, and we will burn up with desires and conflict if we do not remember the original teachings, and return to the peaceful way of life.

“Not far behind the twins will come the Purifier The Red Kachina, who will bring the Day of Purification. On this day the Earth, her creatures and all life as we know it will change forever. There will be messengers that will precede this coming of the Purifier. They will leave messages to those on Earth who remember the old ways.
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Re: After the Warming - James Burke

Unread postby SeaGypsy » Tue 03 Mar 2009, 11:47:14

The children born today will make up the generation which will be adjusted to post collapse better than any of us here can.

Yes some will not do well.

But you get used to what you grow up with.

Many currently healthy rich people will be jumping from bridges while these kids learn how to play with ants& stuff. They will not understand why Mom& Dad are so freaked out.

It will be worse for the ones who are in the current crop, who are just about to get their wings. The youth will be shattered by the destruction of their dreams.
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Re: After the Warming - James Burke

Unread postby Cid_Yama » Wed 04 Mar 2009, 03:51:13

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'B')ut you get used to what you grow up with.

Many currently healthy rich people will be jumping from bridges while these kids learn how to play with ants& stuff. They will not understand why Mom& Dad are so freaked out.


Exactly. But, and this is a big but, we are facing a major die off. 9 out of 10. Those that survive will be the ones that act in the near term, while action is still possible, while resources are still available, while travel to areas conducive to survival is still possible.

Mom and Dad need to get there for the kids to survive.
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Re: After the Warming - James Burke

Unread postby Ghog » Sun 08 Mar 2009, 21:32:04

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('SeaGypsy', 'T')he children born today will make up the generation which will be adjusted to post collapse better than any of us here can.
Yes some will not do well. But you get used to what you grow up with.
Many currently healthy rich people will be jumping from bridges while these kids learn how to play with ants& stuff. They will not understand why Mom& Dad are so freaked out.
It will be worse for the ones who are in the current crop, who are just about to get their wings. The youth will be shattered by the destruction of their dreams.

Considering it seems that 50% of today's children are diagnosed with ADD will they even notice? "Oh no, no more video games."
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Re: After the Warming - James Burke

Unread postby coyote » Mon 09 Mar 2009, 02:25:24

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('SeaGypsy', 'T')he children born today will make up the generation which will be adjusted to post collapse better than any of us here can. ... Many currently healthy rich people will be jumping from bridges while these kids learn how to play with ants& stuff. They will not understand why Mom& Dad are so freaked out.

That's a lesson learned from the Great Depression. This will be worse - much worse - but I agree with you. I plan to have a child. I'm thinking beyond the crash, to a time when I'm long dead. I'm arrogant or crazy enough to think I might - might - be able to have some small effect on the outcome, at least in one small part of the world. But I can't do it if I have no one to whom to pass on the things I've learned and created and saved. I understand that for a while this will likely be the hardest world our species has ever faced. There are no guarantees my child will even survive, let alone be able to take what I can teach and make it grow for a community - or even that she will want to in the middle of finding something to eat or water to drink. In fact the odds are stacked against it. But what the hell, why not try? I can't think of anything better to do with my life.
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Re: After the Warming - James Burke

Unread postby Cid_Yama » Fri 31 Jul 2009, 17:26:12

In Earth Abides, by the third generation post-apocalypse, the population were reduced to superstitious aboriginals. (pablonite's just got a head start.)

This is one of my all time favorite books.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'E')arth Abides, a 1949 post-apocalyptic science fiction novel by Berkeley English professor George R. Stewart, tells the story of the fall of civilization from deadly disease and its rebirth. Beginning in the United States in the 1940s, it deals with Isherwood Williams, Emma, and the community they founded. The survivors live off the remains of the old world, while learning to adapt to the new. Along the way they are forced to make tough decisions and choose what kind of civilization they will rebuild.

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I've been thinking, if I could place books in a vault on the moon for preservation for some future civilization/ or just to tell some alien culture who we had been, what would they be.
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Re: After the Warming - James Burke

Unread postby Tanada » Fri 31 Jul 2009, 19:22:46

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Cid_Yama', 'I')n Earth Abides, by the third generation post-apocalypse, the population were reduced to superstitious aboriginals. (pablonite's just got a head start.)

This is one of my all time favorite books.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'E')arth Abides, a 1949 post-apocalyptic science fiction novel by Berkeley English professor George R. Stewart, tells the story of the fall of civilization from deadly disease and its rebirth. Beginning in the United States in the 1940s, it deals with Isherwood Williams, Emma, and the community they founded. The survivors live off the remains of the old world, while learning to adapt to the new. Along the way they are forced to make tough decisions and choose what kind of civilization they will rebuild.

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I've been thinking, if I could place books in a vault on the moon for preservation for some future civilization/ or just to tell some alien culture who we had been, what would they be.


One of the very first post apocolyptic books I ever read was Poul Anderson's Vault of the Ages. It was aimed at teenagers but I reread it again in my late 30's and still enjoyed it. Vault Of The Ages

The story takes place in the distant aftermath of a nuclear war, a teenager finds a door in the ground that leads to a vault with everything from elementary reader books up through college textbooks and models, and blueprints, all intended to give the survivors easy access to knowledge the builder thought might be lost if there was a war.
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Re: After the Warming - James Burke

Unread postby Cid_Yama » Sun 02 Aug 2009, 18:03:23

Tanada wrote:

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'a') vault with everything from elementary reader books up through college textbooks and models, and blueprints, all intended to give the survivors easy access to knowledge the builder thought might be lost


Here's how NASA handled communicating with aliens:

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'W')hen NASA realized that the Voyagers would eventually travel beyond the edge of our solar system, they decided it might be a good idea to include some kind of message to any intelligent aliens who might some day find them. A committee headed by astronomer Carl Sagan put these messages together. They're contained on gold-plated copper discs, which are engraved much like a vinyl record album. A portion of the disc contains audio information, including a variety of music, greetings spoken in 55 different languages (including some that are very obscure or long extinct) and a selection of nature sounds. The discs also include 122 images, encoded as vibrations on the disc with instructions for decoding.

On each disc’s cover plate are several symbols that depict the method of playing back the record (a stylus and mounting platter are included as well). The image decoding instructions are revealed, describing the “image start” signal, the aspect ratio of the images, and a reproduction of the first image, so the aliens would know if they got it right. A star map clearly showing the location of Earth completes the picture.
If the aliens wonder how long the Voyager they find has been traveling, they can examine the piece of uranium-238 attached to the main bus near the record. Examining the isotope ratios (assuming they know the half-life of uranium-238), they could then deduce how long the sample had been in space.

What music will the aliens hear when they play the record? Mostly traditional music from a variety of cultures, such as Native Americans chants, Scottish bagpipes and African ritual music. It is also something of a “greatest hits” collection of classical music. The most contemporary songs are “Johnny B. Goode” by Chuck Berry and a jazz number by Louis Armstrong.(How lame, it was launched in 1977, I think Moody Blues, or Beatles, or Pink Floyd would have been appropriate. It's like they scorned an entire generation's music.)

The images on the record are varied, and include maps of Earth, images of the other planets in our solar system, pictures of various animals and several images of humans. Carl Sagan wrote a book about the record, called "Murmurs of Earth." A companion CD-ROM was released decades later.

The Voyager discs are similar to a plaque that was placed aboard Pioneer 10 and Pioneer 11, although the creators of the Voyager discs spent a lot of time making sure the aliens could decode it.

Many Earth scientists could not decode the information on the Pioneer plaque.

At the time, some voiced concerns that any hostile aliens finding the Voyager disc would have a map leading them directly to Earth. However, the Voyagers will spend tens of thousands of years in interstellar space before they are anywhere near another star, so the matter isn’t really an immediate concern. If the discs are ever found, it may be so far in the future that humans no longer exist.

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Such a thing might be necessary to communicate with humans in the far flung future if any survive.
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Re: After the Warming - James Burke

Unread postby Cid_Yama » Thu 06 Aug 2009, 00:52:18

Having 3 children is an understandable reason for being in denial.
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Re: After the Warming - James Burke

Unread postby dohboi » Thu 06 Aug 2009, 07:17:35

China will likely start buying up vast tracts of prime agricultural land in the US (and perhaps UK?) as they are doing now in Africa, in lieu of repayment of our enormous debt. Of course, any kind of ag will be more and more difficult to engage in as the climate gets more and more chaotic.
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