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Re: After the Warming - James Burke

Unread postby Lore » Wed 12 Aug 2009, 20:42:33

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Drought, famine, pestilence and war are at our doorstep.



Those things you mentioned above has always been part of our World History, In the 30's just here in America we went thru the Dust Bowl and the Depression at the same time, came out of it pretty good by the looks of things..

[ oh yea than right into WW2 ]


The result of cheap energy, and a wonderful climate to live and grow food in and by the way, these problems are not history, they're with us today.
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Re: After the Warming - James Burke

Unread postby timmac » Wed 12 Aug 2009, 20:57:10

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Lore', 'T')he result of cheap energy, and a wonderful climate to live and grow food in and by the way, these problems are not history, they're with us today.
I did'nt say it was only part of our history, I said it always been part of our history and yes even in the future, those things will always be with us till that certain day arives,

And the Dust Bowl era was a wonderful climate to grow food in ?? Also fuel was not that cheap to folks during the depresion era you know, just saying.
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Re: After the Warming - James Burke

Unread postby Lore » Wed 12 Aug 2009, 21:22:54

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('timmac', '
')I did'nt say it was only part of our history, I said it always been part of our history and yes even in the future, those things will always be with us till that certain day arives,

And the Dust Bowl era was a wonderful climate to grow food in ??

Also fuel was not that cheap to folks during the depresion era you know, just saying.


You should do a little simple research before you make statements. The Dust Bowl era was a local event, not a world wide global climate change phenomena. Much of the problem was caused by the improper use of agricultural techniques. We were still growing plenty of food to feed the nation on small farms. Read, Grapes of Wrath.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'T')he Dust Bowl or the Dirty Thirties was a period of severe dust storms causing major ecological and agricultural damage to American and Canadian prairie lands from 1930 to 1936 (in some areas until 1940). The phenomenon was caused by severe drought coupled with decades of extensive farming without crop rotation, fallow fields, cover crops and other techniques to prevent erosion. Deep plowing of the virgin topsoil of the Great Plains had killed the natural grasses that normally kept the soil in place and trapped moisture even during periods of drought and high winds.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dust_Bowl


When you're without money, nothing is cheap, rather obvious.

It was cheap abundant energy though that allowed us to fight a war and amass a wealth of crap in the last 60 years. Our legacy to the world, which is literally dying to imitate us. Except it won't be so cheap in the future or as plentiful.
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Re: After the Warming - James Burke

Unread postby Cid_Yama » Thu 13 Aug 2009, 21:02:33

Prior to our use of petroleum in agriculture, the human population was less than a billion people, and had been relatively stable. Even then we had been depleting topsoil since the advent of agriculture. Back at the beginning we could move on to greener pastures as land became less productive. Not so any more.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'C')all it the thin brown line. Dirt. On average, the planet is covered with little more than 3 feet of topsoil -- the shallow skin of nutrient-rich matter that sustains most of our food and appears to play a critical role in supporting life on Earth.

"We're losing more and more of it every day," said David Montgomery, a geologist at the University of Washington. "The estimate is that we are now losing about 1 percent of our topsoil every year to erosion, most of this caused by agriculture."

The National Academy of Sciences has determined that cropland in the U.S. is being eroded at least 10 times faster than the time it takes for lost soil to be replaced.

Healthy topsoil is a biological matrix, a housing complex for an incredibly diverse community of organisms -- billions of beneficial microbes per handful, nitrogen-fixing fungi, nutrients and earthworms whose digestive tracts transform the fine grains of sterile rock and plant detritus into the fertile excrement that gave rise to the word itself ("drit," in Old Norse).

As such, true living topsoil cannot be made overnight, Montgomery emphasized. Topsoil grows back at a rate of an inch or two over hundreds of years. Very slowly.

"Globally, it's pretty clear we're running out of dirt," Montgomery said.

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No dirt, no food, no people.

One way or another we are going to die-back to a couple hundred thousand people on the planet. From there perhaps extinction, since we have initiated geological scale changes in human scale time frames.

Pretending none of this is happening and that nothing will significantly change will have no effect on the reality.
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