[Cid_Yama]

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[Valdemar]

Liberals and fascist bootlickers in the same sentence? I'm somehow doubting Hitler and Stalin got on in the end, as we can see. Just as I don't see the green party sucking up to the Republitards.

[Ludi]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Cid_Yama', ' ')Don't let it's age fool you, Burke had it right long before Gore,

[KingDavid]

I don't see much difference between the two american parties.
In belgium and a lot of other european countries there also was a shift to the right.
Socialism is dead, they have no worker base and are just plain opportunistic. These parties have no story anymore and adapt to the public opinion which is easy to influence. Our previous minister of defense was a socialist and went to the Al Gore movie (all ministers went, to show they care....pfff) with an army-helicopter. What a dork!

The greens are bourgeosie nitwits. Their chairman did commercials for volvo and they voted for an undemocratic law: an election threshold of 5%. They were electorally punished for this a few years ago.

The rest, together more than 70% of the votes are greedy, hate-mongering populists : liberals (rich free markists), fascists, catholics (they don't know what they are themselves), separatists (part of belgium is french-speaking, part dutch-speaking and a bit german)

So i don't mind putting liberals and bootlicking fascists in the same sentence! Democracy is the way of the money...

i know it's off topic but what the heck.......

[KingDavid]

People have been warning of Global Warming for 50 years in film

Some indians warned us white suckers centuries ago !

[billg]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('americandream', '
')What impressed me with Marx's flawless logic in Capital was his compelling view that capitalism would choke in its excesses of manufacturing and consumption (it only takes a little logic to contemplate what those excess might well be)...and that those who unwittingly suffer it's systemic flaws would be at the vanguard of change.

I suspect as this farcical system opens up to its truly bankrupt nature, many of those who lived this so-called middle class delusion will see the truly precarious nature of their existence...and its then the anger will be unleashed.

To all those bonehead greenies (revisionists, liberals, fascist bootlickers) who believe this naturally flawed system is capable of rescue, I extend my unremitting contempt. These fools are no doubt as stupid as the ludicrous ideas they peddle.

[Cid_Yama]

<i>edible forest gardens</i>

I'ld forgotten about that. I need to get a book, for my library of useful skills, for after the crash. Any suggestions? Anything that eases the production of food is a big plus in my book, especially if it develops as it's own mini-ecosystem.

[hironegro]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Cid_Yama', 'A') word of caution, mate. The word liberal means something totally different in the US. They are the ones that agree with you, the Socialists and Democrats. The Republicans are the Fascists.

[joewp]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Cid_Yama', '&')lt;i>edible forest gardens</i>

I'ld forgotten about that. I need to get a book, for my library of useful skills, for after the crash. Any suggestions? Anything that eases the production of food is a big plus in my book, especially if it develops as it's own mini-ecosystem.

[rattleshirt]

if you get Edible Forest Gardens by Jacke and Toensmeier get voulme 2 not volume one. volume one is mostly pretty abstract theory. very little I didn't already know.

[Hagakure_Leofman]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('americandream', 'T')o all those bonehead greenies (revisionists, liberals, fascist bootlickers) who believe this naturally flawed system is capable of rescue, I extend my unremitting contempt. These fools are no doubt as stupid as the ludicrous ideas they peddle.

[Cid_Yama]

<i>To all those bonehead greenies (revisionists, liberals, fascist bootlickers) who believe this naturally flawed system is capable of rescue</i>

It's not a matter of rescue. It's a matter of continuing to eat for the time you continue to survive.

Once the electricity is gone, I'm out of here. I was a teenager before there was even Pong. None of you younger ones even understand the concept of 'nothing to do'.

[bodigami]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Cid_Yama', '(')...)
Once the electricity is gone, I'm out of here. I was a teenager before there was even Pong. None of you younger ones even understand the concept of 'nothing to do'.

[Dingbat]

Although not directly a "film" about Peak Oil, more around global warming and the effects of fossil fuel consumption -- alot of the themes that we are today familiar with are mentionned in this 1989 documentary.

I found it using Google Video search, don't know how long it will "last" but there quite a few chilling "predictions" (the documentary is set in year 2050 looking back at our epoch) including things like food shortages that we are seeing happen today.

Unfortunately, the world depicted in the documentary seems way more rational and logical than our world but -- found it interesting nonetheless:

http://video.google.ca/videoplay?docid= ... -AHZv5HHAQ

I've always been a big fan of James Burke (Day the Universe Changed, Connections).

-- Dingbat

[Ainan]

Excellent Link thank you. Unfortunately we are not where he suggests we should be, far from it. I was only 3 when it came out, amazing how long we have ignored the problem. Well live as you mean to go on...

I recommend this video of a lecture James Lovelock gave at the British Royal Institute. Lovelock is a self confessed doomer, those of a weak constitution should avoid it.

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-980700582829425063&q=climate+change&ei=wGAfSP3XFZjiiQKp8bC7AQ

The most truly terrifying and upsetting thing about all of this is Lovelocks lecture only has 7 ratings, while this one called global warming doomsday called off has 667 ratings. Humans run from the truth, too scared and cowardly to face reality.

[jedinvest]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Dingbat', 'U')nfortunately, the world depicted in the documentary seems way more rational and logical than our world but -- found it interesting nonetheless:

[Newfie]

Ainan

Thanks for the link. Wife and I just watched it. Sobering.

[Cid_Yama]

No, really. You can't even imagine a world with 'nothing to do'. This world is filled with distractions. They will all cease with the end of the grid. It will feel like a brick wall after speeding along the freeway.

Also, it's not generational, it's political. There are a lot of us out here that did act. Blame the ones that stood in our way.

[Cid_Yama]

<i>One of the things that James Burke warned about, Climate Change Refugees, is on the rise.</i>

Climate change is forcing growing numbers of people in the developing world to flee their homes and seek refuge abroad, the United Nations High Commissioner for Refugees warned today.

Announcing findings that the number of refugees worldwide had risen steeply for the second year running, Antonio Guterres said that environmental degradation induced by climate change was forcing greater displacement as resources became increasingly scarce.

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[Cid_Yama]

I just saw a commercial just like in the documentary. Reality has just caught up.

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