[vision-master]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('JJ', 'y')ep. panic early.

[copious.abundance]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('OilFinder2', 'I')'ll be waiting.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('OilFinder2', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('OilFinder2', 'I')'ll be waiting.

[JJ]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('vision-master', 'N')o, I'm not in panic mode at all. I just enjoy shooting and believe every red-neck American should be well armed. That's all.

[JJ]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('OilFinder2', 'T')his thread is now over 4 months old. I just got back from the supermarket and all was normal. All other recent trips to all other retail establishments have been similarly normal. Another doomer prediction gone bust.

[ki11ercane]

It's not prematurity on OF2's part. It's just the opposite side of the spectrum and while you don't agree with it, you have to respect it. Not respecting someone's opinion is a sign of weakness and also nearsightedness. It's the classic Doomer vs. Non-Doomer debate manifesting into something else. OF2 is armed with facts. Doomers are armed with facts as well as an emotional drive to survive. The only thing linking the doomer and non-doomer to the future is neither of them know what it will entail, and both are preparing differently. (ie. the Doomer is prepping and positioning themselves for what "might happen" and the non-doomer is planning on doing nothing because they cling to facts based on a false belief the world is built on absolutes) The defining moment of a non-doomer becoming a doomer (or prepper) is when they realize their facts will not mitigate the future to their favor, and in life there is not one single absolute in life. A doomer/prepper realizes this (ie. swallowed the red pill) and is preparing accordingly.

Here in Winterpeg with Canada being pretty much isolated from what is happening in the U.S. and abroad with our banks and mortgages, all I am seeing is a switch on how much of the same thing bigger companies are bringing in, (instead of 50 toothbrushes of different kinds you're only seeing ten) and a switch to ready made shelving. (the pallet displays discussed earlier) The China sh!t is still streaming into the stores and the malls are filled with people. I have seen a massive increase in "for lease" stores on the individual level, and giant strip malls built with zero renters.

[DantesPeak]

You want signs, I see lots of signs that are not in the news. Stocks of basic items missing in big box home builder stores, truck traffic visably down, more empty buildings that I've ever seen, vacated mall space in malls that were always 99% occupied before, even the parking lot in my office looking very much empty lately (possibly more people taking longer summer vacations).

I though this thread was about signs and not whether you are a doomer or not. Certainly there are also signs of posssible economic recovery in another thread, even if that doesn't translate into economic recovery.

[timmac]

I myself got pretty beat up at the beginning of this forum when I said I saw no shortages here in Vegas or Cali where I often travel to, was even called Baghdad Bob because I did not believe there was going to be any shortages, as bad as it looks out there, there is still a large economy clicking away.

I guess I wont be drinking any cactus tea this summer..

[JJ]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('ki11ercane', 'I')t's not prematurity on OF2's part. It's just the opposite side of the spectrum and while you don't agree with it, you have to respect it. Not respecting someone's opinion is a sign of weakness and also nearsightedness. It's the classic Doomer vs. Non-Doomer debate manifesting into something else. OF2 is armed with facts. Doomers are armed with facts as well as an emotional drive to survive. The only thing linking the doomer and non-doomer to the future is neither of them know what it will entail, and both are preparing differently. (ie. the Doomer is prepping and positioning themselves for what "might happen" and the non-doomer is planning on doing nothing because they cling to facts based on a false belief the world is built on absolutes).

[JJ]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('timmac', 'I') myself got pretty beat up at the beginning of this forum when I said I saw no shortages here in Vegas or Cali where I often travel to, was even called Baghdad Bob because I did not believe there was going to be any shortages, as bad as it looks out there, there is still a large economy clicking away.

[vision-master]

I'm C'ing more and more stores of all kinds folding. To the average unaware person, everything seems perfectly normal. It's NOT! I guess if you are looking through rose colored lens, you will only C what you want.

[timmac]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('JJ', 'I') of all people do not want any kind of crash. I still have small children at home; I don't own my home. However, to me you sound strikingly like Bagdad Bob or the talking head thats on CNN every morning talking about how the recession is over as another 600,000 jobs go away.
do you think I'm "proud" or "arrogant" because I am concerned that even my 13 year old can see that something is seriously, seriously wrong?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hubris..

[timmac]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('JJ', 'T')immac, I'm the one who called you Baghdad Bob. You've been exonerated, though. (probably should have put that comment in the HOF).
http://www.nytimes.com/slideshow/2009/0 ... index.html

[vision-master]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('timmac', 'W')ell folks the JIT system has not fallen apart as the OP stated that would happen this summer, no cookies made from dirt and no cactus tea either, your shelves are full and more trucks are coming. A message from Baghdad Bob.

[wisconsin_cur]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('timmac', 'W')ell folks the JIT system has not fallen apart as the OP stated that would happen this summer, no cookies made from dirt and no cactus tea either, your shelves are full and more trucks are coming. A message from Baghdad Bob.

[timmac]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('vision-master', 'I')'m C'ing more and more stores of all kinds folding. To the average unaware person, everything seems perfectly normal. It's NOT! I guess if you are looking through rose colored lens, you will only C what you want.

[timmac]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('vision-master', 'S')orry, just talked to a fleet trucking manager that's been in the business for 40 years. He said things are looking real bad. Everytime I see him, he tells me it's getting worse'r.

[copious.abundance]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('DantesPeak', 'Y')ou want signs, I see lots of signs that are not in the news. Stocks of basic items missing in big box home builder stores, truck traffic visably down, more empty buildings that I've ever seen, vacated mall space in malls that were always 99% occupied before, even the parking lot in my office looking very much empty lately (possibly more people taking longer summer vacations).

I though this thread was about signs and not whether you are a doomer or not. Certainly there are also signs of posssible economic recovery in another thread, even if that doesn't translate into economic recovery.

[copious.abundance]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('JJ', 'h')uh? asking OF if he isn't a little premature is a sign of disrespect? whatever.
I work in a grocery store, and the public certainly acts as if they think everything is OK (if you can get past the constant bitching about how prices have DOUBLED since last year) but our store is down 100,000. YOY for this period, and we are in a small town of 5,000. So yes, I would be hard put to say that everything is still "normal".
more cuts in hours; last year the store halved the entitlement package for people with two years or less employment (one week paid vacation instead of two, insurance premiums doubled, etc., so they can't go there again (yet), but I see many, many more cuts coming.)

[JJ]

I think some people ARE going to do quite well. But with perhaps one out of five unemployed, they also may soon become targets. It seems that as things continue to contract, these jobs won't be coming back. Granted, we don't need five thousand Build-a-Bear outlets, but what ARE those employees going to do now? Make electric cars? Where are they going to get the money to buy the cars they are making?

They keep talking about how they are going to raise taxes to pay for all of this, but so far no one I know (except the janitor where I work) has been shaken down.
The IRS is after him to pay back 3000 dollars from six years ago. So each month he sends them 100 dollars with a 150 dollar processing fee. He's voted the most likely to go postal by the other employees where I work. He really, really hates the gubmint and as far as I can see has nothing left to lose....