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Re: Have you been watching oil prices?

Unread postby Schmuto » Wed 10 Jun 2009, 21:59:43

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('OilFinder2', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Maddog78', 'D')amnit OPEC is pulling a fast one on me.
Looks like I might lose this bet now.[...]
Meh, don't take that too seriously. Too many of them will be too tempted by the rising price to restrain themselves. Their compliance rate on their quotas is already falling.

Want to double the bet? The KSA and the rest of OPEC cannot increase production. They'll keep saying that they'll increase at some moving higher price, but they won't - not substantially.

And when we get over 100 and things are looking horrid and the airlines are going under and gas is over 3.50 and the "recovery" isn't what it was cracked up to be . . . .

Then the KSA will attempt to keep a straight face as they say, "speculation." Wild price swings folks. EXACTLY what many predicted would accompany the passing of peak oil.
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Re: Have you been watching oil prices?

Unread postby copious.abundance » Wed 10 Jun 2009, 22:01:39

Sorry, I've already got another bet going somewhere else here. I only do one bet at a time.

Maddog's bet should do the trick. 8)
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Re: Have you been watching oil prices?

Unread postby copious.abundance » Thu 02 Jul 2009, 17:44:48

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('OilFinder2', 'A')HA! Here's the thread Maddog was talking about.

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Hmmm . . .

>>> LINK <<<
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', '[')b]OPEC's Oil Output Edges Higher for 3rd Consecutive Month
by Oliver Klaus|Dow Jones Newswires|Thursday, July 02, 2009
DUBAI (Dow Jones Newswires), Jul. 2, 2009

OPEC's crude oil output edged higher for a third consecutive month in June, a survey by Dow Jones Newswires showed Thursday, as members of the Organization of Petroleum Exporting Countries further loosened their grip on production quotas to benefit from higher crude prices.

According to the survey, the group's 11 quota-bound members, excluding Iraq, leaked an additional 125,000 barrels a day to the market in June, an increase of 0.49% to 25.865 million barrels a day against 25.74 million barrels a day in May.

The survey estimates the OPEC-11 last month pumped about 1.02 million barrels a day above their production target of 24.845 million barrels. The group has cut output by a total 3.22 million barrels a day since September, when the first out of three output cuts totaling 4.2 million barrels a day came into effect, indicating a compliance rate of about 76%, lower than the 79% achieved in May, the survey shows.

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Hmmmm . . .

Hmmmm . . .
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Re: Have you been watching oil prices?

Unread postby copious.abundance » Sat 25 Jul 2009, 18:13:59

Hmmm . . .

Hmmm . . .

>>> Saudi production up 200K bpd <<<

Hmmm . . .
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Re: Have you been watching oil prices?

Unread postby Maddog78 » Sat 25 Jul 2009, 18:24:40

:-D
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Re: Have you been watching oil prices?

Unread postby copious.abundance » Mon 03 Aug 2009, 16:17:52

Hmmm . . .

Hmmm . . .

>>> OPEC Output Rose a Fourth Month in July, Survey Shows <<<

Hmmm . . .

At this point I'm almost wanting oil to stay in the 60's, 70's and maybe even the 80's. I'd hate to see Maddog lose his bet. :lol:
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Re: Have you been watching oil prices?

Unread postby Maddog78 » Mon 03 Aug 2009, 16:24:22

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Schmuto', 'S')eems like a good time to pop this thread again. Oil is about to cross 70. It's moving very aggressively up.
Anybody want to bet me that OPEC production will not be mostly flat or declining over the next 6 months even if oil goes back over 100? :mrgreen:

Seems like to me I'm well on my way to winning this bet. In fact I'd say I already won if you read his post again. :-D
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Re: Have you been watching oil prices?

Unread postby DantesPeak » Mon 03 Aug 2009, 16:28:11

Keep in mind these Bloomberg surveys are just that - surveys of someone's opinion. Frankly I don't even know how these so called experts arrive at their opinion.

OPEC itself uses the 'Oil Movements' reports [which I am posting weekly] which measures exports - not output. Exports have been trending down for the last four months, and are expected to fall in August.
It's already over, now it's just a matter of adjusting.
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Re: Have you been watching oil prices?

Unread postby copious.abundance » Mon 03 Aug 2009, 18:17:47

According to the IEA, OPEC all-liquids production this year through June is up roughly 1 million bpd, and crude production is up roughly 500K-750K bpd, eyeballing the charts.

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Re: Have you been watching oil prices?

Unread postby copious.abundance » Fri 07 Aug 2009, 17:10:25

We now have 2 surveys saying OPEC output increased in July.

>>> +100K bpd <<<

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Re: Have you been watching oil prices?

Unread postby energyhoggin » Tue 11 Aug 2009, 17:43:58

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Schmuto', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('misterno', 'I') can not imagine what will happen to oil prices when the global economy picks up just a little bit.Buckle up, we are on a rough ride, fellas.
IMO, it will never "pick up a little bit." Not in the next 50 years anyway.We are in the slow grind that many of us predicted. It's a convergence of several historical events . . . --snip--
It will be worsened substantially by government intervention, which I have always expected to happen at around 200 a barrel. Cube thought 300. Those numbers may be lowered because now, different from before, we are in a massive recession, and the government will be under more pressure to "do something" when gasoline hits 5 bucks a gallon.

nahhhh, we can get rid of all those suvs and luxury trucks that can hold five families and all get motorcycles and etc. In the future we wont have a choice like we do now.
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Re: Have you been watching oil prices?

Unread postby JJ » Tue 11 Aug 2009, 18:14:32

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('energyhoggin', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Schmuto', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('misterno', 'I') can not imagine what will happen to oil prices when the global economy picks up just a little bit.Buckle up, we are on a rough ride, fellas.
IMO, it will never "pick up a little bit." Not in the next 50 years anyway.We are in the slow grind that many of us predicted. It's a convergence of several historical events . . . --snip--
It will be worsened substantially by government intervention, which I have always expected to happen at around 200 a barrel. Cube thought 300. Those numbers may be lowered because now, different from before, we are in a massive recession, and the government will be under more pressure to "do something" when gasoline hits 5 bucks a gallon.

nahhhh, we can get rid of all those suvs and luxury trucks that can hold five families and all get motorcycles and etc. In the future we wont have a choice like we do now.


yeah, and put five families on a motorcycle like they do in the Philippines (we came down a mountain one night, seventeen people on a trike with no headlight in the dark. I was terrified. They were amused at what a coward I was).
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Re: Have you been watching oil prices?

Unread postby lowem » Mon 24 Aug 2009, 10:28:59

Heads up. Crude oil prices have just hit the $75 resistance level.
Nymex.com itself went down for a while (too many excited people trying to refresh the page?)

It's probably part of the $70-75 consolidation pattern, but let's see how it goes from here.
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Re: Have you been watching oil prices?

Unread postby copious.abundance » Wed 09 Sep 2009, 16:27:13

Hmmm ...

>>> Platts: OPEC Bumps Up Output to 28.79MM BOPD <<<
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'T')he Organization of the Petroleum Exporting Countries (OPEC) crude oil production averaged 28.79 million barrels per day (b/d) in August, up 220,000 b/d from July, as Iraq and several other producers raised volumes from the previous month, a Platts survey of OPEC and oil industry officials and analysts showed September 8.


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Re: Have you been watching oil prices?

Unread postby lowem » Wed 16 Sep 2009, 09:29:13

Back up to $71. If it holds above $75 for a couple of weeks the skeptics might be convinced.
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Re: Have you been watching oil prices?

Unread postby copious.abundance » Mon 02 Nov 2009, 00:22:40

Hmmm . . .

>>> OPEC Output Increased in October, Bloomberg News Survey Shows <<<
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'T')he Organization of Petroleum Exporting Countries raised crude-oil production last month to the highest level in 10 months as members took advantage of higher prices, a Bloomberg News survey showed.

No wonder Schmuto changed his alias again, it must be embarrassing making yet another bad call! :lol:
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Re: Have you been watching oil prices?

Unread postby copious.abundance » Tue 01 Dec 2009, 21:59:09

Here we go again! Where's Dr O? :lol:

>>> LINK <<<
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'D')ECEMBER 1, 2009
OPEC Production Surges as Price Climbs
By SPENCER SWARTZ

LONDON—OPEC oil production is at its highest level in almost a year, an industry survey showed Tuesday, illustrating the cartel's rebound from late 2008 as members capitalize on the comfortable rise in crude prices this year.

The Organization of Petroleum Exporting Countries produced on average 26.65 million barrels of oil a day in November, according to a Dow Jones Newswires survey of analysts and traders. The figures do not include Iraq, which isn't bound by OPEC's output quotas as the other 11 nations are.

That is the highest level since December 2008, when the 12-nation group was scrambling to slash output as the global recession was deepening and crude prices were tumbling.

OPEC, which pumps a little more than 40% of the crude consumed globally every day, is now producing about 1.8 million barrels a day above its formal production target, according to the survey.

The increased output reflects a rising conviction within OPEC that a China-led economic recovery will result in higher oil consumption. It also reflects the fact that some cartel members with financial problems, such as Venezuela, are ignoring their quotas and pumping more oil.

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Re: Have you been watching oil prices?

Unread postby Maddog78 » Wed 02 Dec 2009, 11:00:50

Bwahahaaaaaaaa. :lol:

The cornutrolls have chased him away.
He'll be back under a new name any day now.
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Re: Have you been watching oil prices?

Unread postby copious.abundance » Thu 31 Dec 2009, 19:10:00

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Schmuto', 'W')ant to double the bet? The KSA and the rest of OPEC cannot increase production. They'll keep saying that they'll increase at some moving higher price, but they won't - not substantially.

Where's Dr O? If I'm not mistaken, this is 7 of the past 8 months OPEC production has risen. And output in May - the month Schmuto started this thread - was 25.74 million bpd, whereas now it's 26.615 - an increase of 875K bpd. I would certainly call that "substantial."

>>> LINK <<<
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', '[')b]OPEC Output Rose in December, Bloomberg Survey Shows
By Karyn Peterson and Mark Shenk

Dec. 31 (Bloomberg) -- The Organization of Petroleum Exporting Countries increased crude-oil production in December to the highest level in a year as members took advantage of rising prices, a Bloomberg News survey showed.

Output averaged 28.965 million barrels a day this month, up 65,000 barrels from November, according to the survey of oil companies, producers and analysts. The 11 countries with quotas, all except Iraq, pumped 26.615 million barrels a day, 1.77 million above their target. All members exceeded their production goals.

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Re: Have you been watching oil prices?

Unread postby copious.abundance » Fri 26 Feb 2010, 22:47:39

*crickets chirping*

Even the KSA has started exceeding their quota!

>>> OPEC Oil Output Reaches 14-Month High, Survey Shows <<<
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'O')utput rose 125,000 barrels a day, or 0.4 percent, to an average 29.17 million barrels a day, the highest level since December 2008, according to the survey of oil companies, producers and analysts. The January production total was revised 45,000 barrels a day higher.

[...]

Saudi Arabia, the group’s biggest producer, boosted output by 100,000 barrels to 8.25 million barrels a day, the highest level since December 2008. It was the largest increase of any member. The kingdom exceeded its quota by 199,000 barrels a day.
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