by like_the_dinosaurs » Fri 29 May 2009, 01:01:22
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Jotapay', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('like_the_dinosaurs', 'N')o i want to see your research. I gave four examples where he goes completely against mainstream science. Peak oil, global warming, Flouride (extreme views) and Swine flu. There are plenty of you tube videos where he is ranting and raving about each of these issues.
Where is your "two months of researching and checking". I would like to see them.
I would Google and verify real time as I was listening to him at work. I will start a new thread with daily verification lists, if you like. But your refusal shows me you have no ground to stand on. Someone who refuses to support their position is a fraud. I will support mine.
Like I said, crucifying Alex about his position on Peak Oil is like crucifying a famous chef who can't run a 4-minute mile. His forte is history.
I disagree with three of your points. Fluoride was used by dictators in the past to specifically pacify populations of people and I do not disagree with him on Swine Flu, but I do not specifically agree either. There was an article released about 2-3 weeks ago where scientists stated swine flu appeared to be man made.
Also, I agree with his stance on global warming. I do not dispute global warming. I think humans should protect their environment and limit their footprint, as I do in my personal life. But I do dispute the direct link to human activity that environmentalists make. We are in a period of warming, and have been for 11,000 years. People may not know this, but there have been many periods in the past where the Earth has been in a hothouse climate, where there were no polar ice caps. There is no direct link from global warming to human activity except for a study having to do with ocean temps and CO2. Humans definitely influence their environment, but the supposedly definite link with global warming that environmentalists claim is a fraud and doesn't. I have a Geology degree. I know there are tons of circumstantial evidence, but no conclusive direct link. He is parroting other scientists who voice this logical concern, just as I have done.
Alex exaggerates sometimes. I make no apologies for that, he does do it.
How am I refusing to stand behind my opinion??????????
The article you refer too regarding swine flu was shot down in flames. In fact i remember the individual who wrote it saying, that is what science is like. You put forth a thesis or theory and if it stands up to peer review then wonderful if not you go back to the drawing board.
You have a geology degree, your not a climatologist. As much as i respect your opinion. Besides you present your arguements in clear way, Alex Jones is emotional, one sided and always over the top. Climate change isnt clear cut because the climate is extremely complicated but Alex Jones just jumps straight in with its a form of control by the government, reptile aliens or the illuminate.
As for flouride. I hope you realise that flouride is naturally occuring and in some rivers in the world flouride is taken out of the water supply because it is over the allowable limits for human consumption.
Here's what the World Health Organisation says about flouride.
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Fluoride in most groundwaters occurs as the anion F–. Waters with high fluoride content are found mostly in calcium-deficient ground waters in many basement aquifers, such as granite and gneiss, in geothermal waters and in some sedimentary basins. Groundwaters with high fluoride concentrations occur in many areas of the world including large parts of Africa, China, the Middle East and southern Asia (India, Sri Lanka). One of the best known high fluoride belts on land extends along the East African Rift from Eritrea to Malawi. There is another belt from Turkey through Iraq, Iran, Afghanistan, India, northern Thailand and China. The Americas and Japan have similar belts.
Fluoride is found in vegetables, fruit, tea and other crops. although drinking water is usually the largest contributor to the daily fluoride intake. Fluoride is also found in the atmosphere, originating from the dusts of fluoride-containing soils, from gaseous industrial wastes, from the burning of coal fires in populated areas and from gases of volcanic activity. Thus fluoride, in varying concentrations, is freely available in nature. Most of the studies of fluoride intake have been done in developed countries. In temperate climates, daily exposure is about 0.6mg/adult/day if the water is not fluoridated. The WHO guideline value for fluoride is 1.5mg/litre, with a target of between 0.8–1.2mg/l to maximise benefits and minimise harmful effects. Acceptable levels depend on climate, volumes of water intake and the likely intake of fluoride in other sources. Much depends on whether other sources, such as those mentioned above, also have high levels.
Alex jones seems too of had the pulse of 9/11 right from the start and i thank him for his efforts but i cant overlook these glaring errors in his logic.
Alex jones uses the same proccess that Fox News uses except he's the other end of the political spectrum.