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Re: Who is a "parasite"?

Unread postby SeaGypsy » Sat 14 Mar 2009, 07:24:36

Transport. He was the 1st bloke in the USA to promise 'Overnight anywhere or it's Free.' ended up running Fedex for over 20 years.
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Re: Who is a "parasite"?

Unread postby Ludi » Sat 14 Mar 2009, 10:45:19

Reverse Engineer seems to be saying the parasites should be killed.

Maybe I am misinterpreting what he's saying.
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Re: Who is a "parasite"?

Unread postby SeaGypsy » Sat 14 Mar 2009, 10:58:16

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Ludi', 'R')everse Engineer seems to be saying the parasites should be killed.

Maybe I am misinterpreting what he's saying.



I think he's trying to redefine the word away from the established power elite's domain; towards a more broadminded approach.
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Re: Who is a "parasite"?

Unread postby Ludi » Sat 14 Mar 2009, 11:01:55

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('SeaGypsy', '
')I think he's trying to redefine the word away from the established power elite's domain; towards a more broadminded approach.



But his use of the words "guillotine" and "auto de fe" aren't referring to actually killing anyone, is that what you're saying?

au·to-da-fé (ôt-d-f, out-)
n. pl. au·tos-da-fé (ôtz-, outz-)
1. Public announcement of the sentences imposed by the Inquisition.
2. The public execution of those sentences by secular authorities, especially by burning at the stake.
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Re: Who is a "parasite"?

Unread postby Bas » Sat 14 Mar 2009, 11:05:16

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'P')arasite: An organism that lives in or on and takes its nourishment from another organism. A parasite cannot live independently.


seems to me that almost everyone in the world is a parasite to some degree, with only a very small number of people having the potential to survive totally alone and without supplies coming from the rest of society...
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Re: Who is a "parasite"?

Unread postby Ludi » Sat 14 Mar 2009, 11:11:04

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Bas', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'P')arasite: An organism that lives in or on and takes its nourishment from another organism. A parasite cannot live independently.


seems to me that almost everyone in the world is a parasite to some degree, with only a very small number of people having the potential to survive totally alone and without supplies coming from the rest of society...


I agree. Virtually all of us are dependent on other people. I know I am, but then I'm pretty sure I'm in somebody's "cull" category.
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Re: Who is a "parasite"?

Unread postby vision-master » Sat 14 Mar 2009, 11:13:49

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Ludi', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Bas', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'P')arasite: An organism that lives in or on and takes its nourishment from another organism. A parasite cannot live independently.
seems to me that almost everyone in the world is a parasite to some degree, with only a very small number of people having the potential to survive totally alone and without supplies coming from the rest of society...
I agree. Virtually all of us are dependent on other people. I know I am, but then I'm pretty sure I'm in somebody's "cull" category.

Me too, I won't talk about it. :badgrin:
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Re: Who is a "parasite"?

Unread postby Bas » Sat 14 Mar 2009, 11:30:21

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('vision-master', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Ludi', 'I') agree. Virtually all of us are dependent on other people. I know I am, but then I'm pretty sure I'm in somebody's "cull" category.
Me too, I won't talk about it. :badgrin:

Me too.
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Re: Who is a "parasite"?

Unread postby TWilliam » Sat 14 Mar 2009, 12:56:08

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Bas', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'P')arasite: An organism that lives in or on and takes its nourishment from another organism. A parasite cannot live independently.


seems to me that almost everyone in the world is a parasite to some degree, with only a very small number of people having the potential to survive totally alone and without supplies coming from the rest of society...

The state of both giving benefit to a community and receiving benefit from it is referred to as interdependence. In the field of biology it would be termed symbiosis, and this is distinct from parasitism in that the former is a mutually beneficial relationship, whereas with the latter the benefit accrues solely (or mostly) to the parasite.
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Re: Who is a "parasite"?

Unread postby TWilliam » Sat 14 Mar 2009, 13:24:25

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('ReverseEngineer', 'I')t wasn't entirely clear, as I for one based on your prior writings felt that you considered the Illegal Aliens and Welfare Moms more the Parasites than the Banksters. If that was a misinterpretation of your posting, I apologize for that. As long as we agree the Banksters are the biggest Parasites in need of the most severe Punishments, we are fighting on the same side of the line.

I don't consider them more parasitical, but that doesn't mean they aren't at all. An Illegal who comes to this country, applies for and gains public assistance, works under the table and sends the fruits of his efforts outside the country, is, by definition, a parasite with regard to his/her relationship with the commonweal of the host nation, and deserves to be treated accordingly. On the other hand, one who comes here, seeks citizenship, works legally and circulates his remuneration back into the local community is not.

I do not condone the former.

As for Welfare Moms, well... I've said before that everyone is entitled to the excuse "I didn't know" once (tho' it's a sad comment on the state of education).
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Re: Who is a "parasite"?

Unread postby TWilliam » Sat 14 Mar 2009, 14:01:56

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('pstarr', 'I') just posted this (probably irrelevantly so) on the John Stewart thread. It is much more pertinent here.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('pstarr', 'T')he biggest joke of all is the way the Pundits, Pols, and Advertisers gamed you. They had you red-state suckers believing they (the pundacracy) were outside the beltway and 'real folk.' There's barely any 'real folk' left in America.

We are all mechanical ticks sucking blood off the body of the Terminator. :?
This may sound snarky etc. but I truly believe it. We humans have outlived our self-described usefullness. We do no good for the planet, other species, or our own children. We have succeeded to well. We do not have time, imagination, resources, or the planet to fix the mistakes we made.

It is irrelevant to even describe ourselves as parasites. That suggests a living host. We are attached with our blood-sucking face-parts to a saggy empty graying planet no longer capable of pumping it's own blood.

nice huh?


Nahhhh... "the planet is fine":

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Re: Who is a "parasite"?

Unread postby ReverseEngineer » Sat 14 Mar 2009, 14:19:45

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('TWilliam', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('ReverseEngineer', 'I')t wasn't entirely clear, as I for one based on your prior writings felt that you considered the Illegal Aliens and Welfare Moms more the Parasites than the Banksters. If that was a misinterpretation of your posting, I apologize for that. As long as we agree the Banksters are the biggest Parasites in need of the most severe Punishments, we are fighting on the same side of the line.

I don't consider them more parasitical, but that doesn't mean they aren't at all.


Of course they are more parasitical. They take more money! A LOT more money! To keep a welfare mom and her 3 kids fed costs you no more than $50 grand a year. To keep John Thain flying around in his Gulfstream V costs you $10 MILLION a year! Come ON! Who is the bigger parasite? LOL. Its the difference between a Mosquito, which is annoying and makes you itch but generally won't kill the host and Count Dracula who sucks you dry and leaves you as one of the Walking Dead, aka a Zombie.

I can live with Mosquitos, they are the State Bird of Alaska, we get some mighty big ones around here. I cannot live with VAMPIRES sucking the economy dry with Trillion$ Obamouts. We are NOT fighting on the same side if you don;t think the Punishment should fit the Crime, and the bigger the Crime the greater the Punishment.

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Re: Who is a "parasite"?

Unread postby TWilliam » Sat 14 Mar 2009, 14:29:08

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('ReverseEngineer', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('TWilliam', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('ReverseEngineer', 'I')t wasn't entirely clear, as I for one based on your prior writings felt that you considered the Illegal Aliens and Welfare Moms more the Parasites than the Banksters. If that was a misinterpretation of your posting, I apologize for that. As long as we agree the Banksters are the biggest Parasites in need of the most severe Punishments, we are fighting on the same side of the line.

I don't consider them more parasitical, but that doesn't mean they aren't at all.


Of course they are more parasitical. They take more money! A LOT more money! To keep a welfare mom and her 3 kids fed costs you no more than $50 grand a year. To keep John Thain flying around in his Gulfstream V costs you $10 MILLION a year! Come ON! Who is the bigger parasite? LOL. Its the difference between a Mosquito, which is annoying and makes you itch but generally won't kill the host and Count Dracula who sucks you dry and leaves you as one of the Walking Dead, aka a Zombie.

I can live with Mosquitos, they are the State Bird of Alaska, we get some mighty big ones around here. I cannot live with VAMPIRES sucking the economy dry with Trillion$ Obamouts. We are NOT fighting on the same side if you don;t think the Punishment should fit the Crime, and the bigger the Crime the greater the Punishment.

Re-read what I said RE. You have it backwards.
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Re: Who is a "parasite"?

Unread postby ReverseEngineer » Sat 14 Mar 2009, 14:41:41

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('SeaGypsy', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Ludi', 'R')everse Engineer seems to be saying the parasites should be killed.

Maybe I am misinterpreting what he's saying.



I think he's trying to redefine the word away from the established power elite's domain; towards a more broadminded approach.


What I am trying to do is place the current Crimes Against Humanity in their proper historical context. By bringing up the rule of law and the legal redress of Capital Punishment as it was used in both the Spanish Inquisition and the French Revolution, I am attempting to demonstrate the reasons why a society will arrive at the point where this form of Justice becomes necessary. Capital Punishment is the Law of the Land in many US States already including Texas, so its perfectly legal to be in favor of Capital Punishment. In both the cases of the Spanish Inquisition and the French Revolution, Capital Punishment was executed through rule of law. You might not agree with the rules, and you might find the particular means used in those cases to execute the law as distasteful, but then that is part of the purpose to disourage people from CRIMINAL actions. If you just slap people on the wrist for basically stealing the food from billions of people and causing them to die from hunger, what kind of punishment is that?

As we spin down here, it is clearly important that we establish a solid JUSTICE system to mete out PUNISHMENT that FITS THE CRIME. I support Capital Punishment as a means of LEGAL redress. That is not a violation of the CoC.

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Re: Who is a "parasite"?

Unread postby ReverseEngineer » Sat 14 Mar 2009, 14:50:50

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('TWilliam', '
')Re-read what I said RE. You have it backwards.


I re-read. You make a distinction between those who come here illegally and send money out of the country and those who come here legally and recirculate money. I see no distinctions made between those who suck MILLIONS from the taxpayers to fund their outrageous consumption versus those who take only thousands to feed their children. So explain to me how I have it backwards? Who is the bigger parasite here, John Thain or a Welfare Mom? Who deserves the greater Punishment?

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Re: Who is a "parasite"?

Unread postby vision-master » Sat 14 Mar 2009, 14:52:39

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('TWilliam', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('ReverseEngineer', 'I')t wasn't entirely clear, as I for one based on your prior writings felt that you considered the Illegal Aliens and Welfare Moms more the Parasites than the Banksters. If that was a misinterpretation of your posting, I apologize for that. As long as we agree the Banksters are the biggest Parasites in need of the most severe Punishments, we are fighting on the same side of the line.

I don't consider them more parasitical, but that doesn't mean they aren't at all. An Illegal who comes to this country, applies for and gains public assistance, works under the table and sends the fruits of his efforts outside the country, is, by definition, a parasite with regard to his/her relationship with the commonweal of the host nation, and deserves to be treated accordingly. On the other hand, one who comes here, seeks citizenship, works legally and circulates his remuneration back into the local community is not.

I do not condone the former.

As for Welfare Moms, well... I've said before that everyone is entitled to the excuse "I didn't know" once (tho' it's a sad comment on the state of education).


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Re: Who is a "parasite"?

Unread postby Bas » Sat 14 Mar 2009, 14:56:12

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('TWilliam', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Bas', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'P')arasite: An organism that lives in or on and takes its nourishment from another organism. A parasite cannot live independently.


seems to me that almost everyone in the world is a parasite to some degree, with only a very small number of people having the potential to survive totally alone and without supplies coming from the rest of society...

The state of both giving benefit to a community and receiving benefit from it is referred to as interdependence. In the field of biology it would be termed symbiosis, and this is distinct from parasitism in that the former is a mutually beneficial relationship, whereas with the latter the benefit accrues solely (or mostly) to the parasite.


TWillian, I can dig your argument about symbiosis, but what if we all live in symbiosis with a system that is parasitical to earth and nature?

Another argument is that all parasitical behavior is or should be criminal offenses. You can think of stealing and robbing, to taxfraud, selling drugs, running ponzi schemes, illigally dumping industrial waste and lots of other things. Also breaking rules regarding to banking that maybe should've been in place or soon will be can be an example of that.
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Re: Who is a "parasite"?

Unread postby ReverseEngineer » Sat 14 Mar 2009, 15:07:18

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('pstarr', 'T')William, Lovelock would disagree.

RE there is a complex continuum of responsibility, guilt and shame. Madoff and his family are guilty. The Punditry that pumped the stocks are guilty. All the Media Anchors and their whoring staff should be locked up. Including (and especially NPR and the NYT). Pacific Lumber Board Chairman Horowtiz is clearly guilty. How about the bagman and lieutenants that carried the orders? The soldiers following them?

Who dishes it out and where do we start and stop? Where is AI when we truly need it?


Absolutely, there are MANY people here who are GUILTY of High Crimes and Misdemeanors. We don't have AI, nor can we expect God will hurl down lightening bolts to smite the wicked. LOL. The best we can do is to execute fallible Human Justice by charging a Tribunal and Chief Justice with the responsibility of applying the rules determining guilt to those identified as Criminals. To be fair, there needs to be gradations of Punishment, is it as Evil to be a Bozo Media Anchor as it is to be a Scumbag CEO of AIG? That is something we can hash out here if you like, you could make arguments either way.

Who should be charged with these responsibilities? You should pick people who will apply the law appropriately, and you come together as a society to determine what the crimes are and what the punishments are that suit those crimes. When do you stop? When the job is DONE. You keep going until you squash down the Evil and purge the shit from the system as best you can. Not to say the shit won;t back up again at a later date of course, but you do the best you can to clean house in a shitstrom like this one :-)

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