[Pretorian]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('ReverseEngineer', '.') In any event, race has little to do with it, because the genetic attributes that determine a successful human being are distributed out through all people in a fairly uniform fashion irrespective of race.

[vision-master]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('SeaGypsy', 'I') read some genetic research suggesting 98% of the variety in the genome is still within the confines of Africa; this would suggest before it all ends we ought to bring an African into the family.

[TWilliam]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('vision-master', '[')b]Native Americans.
The idea 'they' crossed the Bering Strait is not correct.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', ' ')
Why do American Indians get so mad when you say their ancestors migrated across the Bering land bridge from Asia?

Well, there are several reasons. First of all, that contradicts the religious tradition of many native peoples, which claim we have always been here. Surely you know some white people who claim that the earth can't be thousands of years old because it conflicts with the Bible. It is the same principle--except that the Christian fundamentalists get a lot of attention and even nice mentions in textbooks, whereas the Indians are ignored. That gives them an extra reason to be mad.

[TWilliam]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('ReverseEngineer', 'I')ts $60/hour, not $75 except in some cases where I will work semi-private lessons And its NOT Arithmetic. And to be honest, I won't even offer this to most children, only a very few. For what I teach to them, only a very few are even capable of learning it, so I make a selection, on the order of 1 in 1000 children. I cannot save them all, and so I pick the ones I CAN save, and I put all my energy in that direction. Rather than pick who to die, I pick some to give the tools to LIVE to. Honest truth, I leave some to twist in the wind, because I cannot save them all.

I have been doing this for close to 30 years now. What I teach only a very few children can learn and so I have to make choices all the time as to who will get the opportunity and who will not. In the world as it was, this wasn't a life or death choice. In the world that is to come, it might very well be. In any event, race has little to do with it, because the genetic attributes that determine a successful human being are distributed out through all people in a fairly uniform fashion irrespective of race. Opportunity has much more impact on what the potential might be for a given child.

[ReverseEngineer]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('TWilliam', 'W')ait a minute. You're being 'selective'?

You... you... EVIL EUGENICIST!!!!

[TWilliam]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('ReverseEngineer', 'W')henever you select out kids for a gifted program, its eugenics of a sort. However, the difference lies in how selection is approached.

In the eugenics of the sort being discussed here, you are selecting who is to DIE. In selection of the gifted, you are picking out those you will help LIVE. You can think of it like a lifeboat with only so much room. You don't actively push people OFF the lifeboat, but you pick who gets ON the lifeboat.

If you own a Doomstead and choose to allow a few friends or relatives to join you, then you are practicing Eugenics of this sort also. You aren't actively going out and shooting Zombies, but you aren't helping keep them alive either. You only are helping those you CHOOSE to help.

You don't have to make your selection process a negative one choosing who goes to the Gas Chambers. You can instead make your selection process of who you will choose to HELP. You CANNOT save them ALL. You can only Save as Many as You Can.

[Pretorian]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('TWilliam', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('ReverseEngineer', 'W')henever you select out kids for a gifted program, its eugenics of a sort. However, the difference lies in how selection is approached.

In the eugenics of the sort being discussed here, you are selecting who is to DIE. In selection of the gifted, you are picking out those you will help LIVE. You can think of it like a lifeboat with only so much room. You don't actively push people OFF the lifeboat, but you pick who gets ON the lifeboat.

If you own a Doomstead and choose to allow a few friends or relatives to join you, then you are practicing Eugenics of this sort also. You aren't actively going out and shooting Zombies, but you aren't helping keep them alive either. You only are helping those you CHOOSE to help.

You don't have to make your selection process a negative one choosing who goes to the Gas Chambers. You can instead make your selection process of who you will choose to HELP. You CANNOT save them ALL. You can only Save as Many as You Can.

[davep]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Pretorian', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('TWilliam', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('ReverseEngineer', 'W')henever you select out kids for a gifted program, its eugenics of a sort. However, the difference lies in how selection is approached.

In the eugenics of the sort being discussed here, you are selecting who is to DIE. In selection of the gifted, you are picking out those you will help LIVE. You can think of it like a lifeboat with only so much room. You don't actively push people OFF the lifeboat, but you pick who gets ON the lifeboat.

If you own a Doomstead and choose to allow a few friends or relatives to join you, then you are practicing Eugenics of this sort also. You aren't actively going out and shooting Zombies, but you aren't helping keep them alive either. You only are helping those you CHOOSE to help.

You don't have to make your selection process a negative one choosing who goes to the Gas Chambers. You can instead make your selection process of who you will choose to HELP. You CANNOT save them ALL. You can only Save as Many as You Can.

[TWilliam]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('davep', 'N')ot at all. One requires you make a positive effort to help who you can. The other requires you make a positive effort to kill people. If you think they're morally equivalent, you have big problems.

[davep]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('TWilliam', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('davep', 'N')ot at all. One requires you make a positive effort to help who you can. The other requires you make a positive effort to kill people. If you think they're morally equivalent, you have big problems.

[ReverseEngineer]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('TWilliam', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('davep', 'N')ot at all. One requires you make a positive effort to help who you can. The other requires you make a positive effort to kill people. If you think they're morally equivalent, you have big problems.

[Ferretlover]

Everybody is going to die sooner or later. Period. Some will go by themselves, and some will have help.
And, as evidenced by the differing opinions in this thread, there is no clear definition of a societal parasite; each different group will develop its own criteria for those who will not receive the kind of help for which they were hoping, but instead receive the "help" they were/are trying to avoid.

[TWilliam]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('ReverseEngineer', 'Y')ou are making the argument that the sin of omission is morally equivalent to the sin of commision.

[Ludi]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('davep', '
')So cut the bullshit with your talk about honesty. You need to be active to prepare for the future, not some keyboard warrior with a fixation on doing other people in.

[davep]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Ludi', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('davep', '
')So cut the bullshit with your talk about honesty. You need to be active to prepare for the future, not some keyboard warrior with a fixation on doing other people in.

[Ludi]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('davep', '
')I think TWilliam is saying he's not advocating killing people because he doesn't want a CoC violation. It's mere weasel-words.

[SeaGypsy]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('TWilliam', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('ReverseEngineer', 'Y')ou are making the argument that the sin of omission is morally equivalent to the sin of commission.

[TWilliam]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Ludi', 'T')William said he was not advocating killing anyone against their will. Why are people talking about "selecting who is to die" if the euthanasia is voluntary?

[SeaGypsy]

I'm not speaking of the legality or illegality of it. Plenty of morally reprehensible things are sanctioned by the law, or at least ignored by it. And there are more than a few things that are prohibited by it that are at least morally neutral.[/quote]


If not then what is the point in the discussion?
I see these laws as reflecting the common perception of wrongdoing.
We are not here talking about bureaucratic red tape type law but life and death. Confusing the two is likening them; just another form of doublespeak.

[TWilliam]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('SeaGypsy', 'I')f not then what is the point in the discussion?
I see these laws as reflecting the common perception of wrongdoing.
We are not here talking about bureaucratic red tape type law but life and death. Confusing the two is likening them; just another form of doublespeak.