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Re: Credit crunch impacts on production

Unread postby AirlinePilot » Tue 10 Feb 2009, 13:14:05

OPEC starting to feel the pain....


http://rigzone.com/news/article.asp?a_id=72681
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Re: Credit crunch impacts on production

Unread postby AirlinePilot » Thu 12 Feb 2009, 14:56:28

Long term production "damaged" according to Merrill Lynch.....

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Re: Credit crunch impacts on production

Unread postby ROCKMAN » Thu 12 Feb 2009, 15:27:26

AP,

So ML thinks non-OPEC production may have peaked? Did I miss something or hasn't that been confirmed by just about every agency out there.

And “Citing several upcoming projects in countries like Kazakhstan, Brazil and India, Mills said non-OPEC's production is likely to remain stable for the next few years but would pick up later”. We might see a little bump from Kazakhstan in a few years if they ever work out the pipeline deal without the Russians invading them. But even Petrobras says its ramp up in actual production is quit a few years off. I hate to judge Mr. Mills on so few words but I’m guessing he’s either an idiot but more likely just one more brokerage house cheerleader chumming the waters for folks anxious to get more then a CD rate return on their money.

But then I’m a little grouchy today…been watching more folks packing up their offices after being sent to the house by my client.
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Re: Credit crunch impacts on production

Unread postby AirlinePilot » Fri 13 Feb 2009, 12:59:09

Rock,

I agree, but Im just trying to post the links to the pieces which I think have some merit.

Here is another, although I think Phil Flynn is an idiot also, he does appear to see what I am seeing. There is a huge headwind in delayed projects and spending developing right now which is going to have serious implications the minute the economy is PERCIEVED to be coming back.

Potential supply crunch.....

http://www.reuters.com/article/GCA-Oil/ ... 7L20090212
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Re: Credit crunch impacts on production

Unread postby ROCKMAN » Fri 13 Feb 2009, 13:16:48

By all means keep the links coming. Good to see what some folks at least say they are thinking.
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Re: Credit crunch impacts on production

Unread postby AirlinePilot » Wed 04 Mar 2009, 03:31:38

BP scaling back......

http://www.businessweek.com/ap/financia ... MMDPG0.htm


"BP PLC scaled back its short-term oil and gas production growth target on Tuesday as the economic downturn and the

falling price of crude led Europe's second-largest oil company to reconsider the pace of expenditure on proven

resources."
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Re: Credit crunch impacts on production

Unread postby TheDude » Wed 04 Mar 2009, 06:07:41

That's odd, since BP Replaced 121% of Reserves Last Year as Oil , Gas Output Rose.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'B')y Eduard Gismatullin

March 3 (Bloomberg) -- BP Plc, Europe’s second-largest oil company, replaced 121 percent of reserves in 2008 after crude and natural-gas production rose for the first time in three years.

Excluding acquisitions and divestments, BP added 1.7 billion barrels of new oil and gas to reserves, the London-based company said today in a statement distributed by the Regulatory News Service. Output climbed 0.5 percent to 3.838 million barrels a day last year, BP said Feb. 3.

The gain follows three major discoveries in Egypt, Algeria and the Gulf of Mexico last year, which each boosted resources by more than 250 million barrels of oil equivalent, according to Andy Inglis, BP’s head of exploration and production. Oil companies worldwide reported about 14 major finds in 2008.


You have all those "major finds" covered, OF2?

In other news, a cancellation for this year: Eni delays Alaska oil project due to slump-reports | Markets | US Markets | Reuters.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', ' ')NEW YORK, March 3 (Reuters) - Italian oil company Eni (ENI.MI: Quote, Profile, Research) is suspending work on its $1.5 billion Nikaitchuq oil development on Alaska's North Slope due to the slump in crude prices, according to local media reports.

The project was on track to start producing oil late in 2009 or early in 2010 but work has been halted temporarily, the reports said, quoting contractors working for the company and state officials.

A spokeswoman for Eni did not immediately comment.
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Re: Credit crunch impacts on production

Unread postby copious.abundance » Wed 04 Mar 2009, 22:42:02

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('TheDude', 'Y')ou have all those "major finds" covered, OF2?

As I've said many times, no I don't. There are many discoveries whose reserve sizes get buried in someone's year-end statement as reserve additions and which, thus, I am certain to miss. This particularly seems to happen with the oil majors. For example, from your link regarding BP:
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'T')he gain follows three major discoveries in Egypt, Algeria and the Gulf of Mexico last year, which each boosted resources by more than 250 million barrels of oil equivalent, according to Andy Inglis, BP’s head of exploration and production. Oil companies worldwide reported about 14 major finds in 2008.

I didn't catalog anything in Egypt or Algeria last year, and while I did catalog two discoveries in the GOM, they were discoveries by 1) Hess and 2) Anadarko. It could be that BP was one of the partners in one or both of the GOM discoveries, but that still would mean I missed the Egypt and Algerian discoveries.

It could also be that much of that discovered volume was gas instead of oil, but without digging through BP's annual report (which I don't feel like doing), I'll never know either way.
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Re: Credit crunch impacts on production

Unread postby AirlinePilot » Tue 31 Mar 2009, 14:48:57

Definitely not what I'd call a sure thing....

Rio-based Petrobras leads the world in deep-water oil drilling; it operates dozens of fields in Brazil, Africa and the Gulf of Mexico. “At $140 a barrel, or even $70, you could make lots of money,” says John Ditierri, who manages $7 billion of developing nation stocks for Emerging Markets Management LLC in Arlington, Virginia. “At $20 or $30, it’s not worth anything.”

Ditierri won’t say whether his firm owns Petrobras shares.

Analysts say Brazilian officials shouldn’t underestimate the technical challenges of extracting oil from Tupi, no matter what happens to the price of crude. The field, in Block BM-S-9, lies 340 kilometers (210 miles) from the Brazilian coast beneath 2 kilometers of water and 5 kilometers of sand, rock and salt.

Much of their planning is based on the assumption that they can use the same technology they are using to produce oil offshore today and that they will only need to make minor adjustments,” says Rio-based Sylvie D’Apote, a director at Cambridge Energy Research Associates Inc., or CERA, in Cambridge, Massachusetts. “If that turns out not to be true, costs are likely to rise a lot.”

:shock: :shock: :shock:

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Re: Credit crunch impacts on production

Unread postby TheAntiDoomer » Tue 31 Mar 2009, 15:12:03

No worries AP, deep sea technology will only improve and get more efficient: link
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', '&')quot;To drill top holes in deep waters in the GoM is a great challenge. Enhancing the RMR Technology for this service seems to be the correct choice. A positive outcome of the feasibility study will be a major step forward in the context of deepwater drilling to become safer, more environmentally friendly and - not at least - drilling at a lower risk."
several big boys working on deepwater:link

and don't worry if prices do rise, the big boys will be ready to drill Tupi: link

So relax AP, chill out and have a brewski. $this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('AirlinePilot', 'D')efinitely not what I'd call a sure thing.... --snip-- link
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Re: Credit crunch impacts on production

Unread postby copious.abundance » Tue 31 Mar 2009, 20:57:24

The funny thing about that Bloomberg article is, it was titled, "Tupi Oil Imperiled as Price Drop Unravels Energy Plan," but if you actually read the entire article there's essentially nothing in it which suggests development of Tupi is "imperiled." In fact, the very last paragraph suggests the exact opposite!

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'B')razil’s coast is dotted with shipyards building platforms that will pump oil from fields 300 kilometers out to sea. In mid-March, a production ship was on its way from Singapore to the Tupi well, where it was to capture the field’s first test oil. Drill ships are scattered beyond the horizon, looking for more of the black gold that Brazilians hope will finally live up to its promise.

Also, the writers of the article made no attempt to understand or explain why those 42 blocks were withheld after Tupi's discovery. And finally, I do think there has been another round of block auctions by the Brazilian government since then, contrary to what the article said.

I think Bloomberg needs a new headline-writer. And some better reporters.
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Re: Credit crunch impacts on production

Unread postby AirlinePilot » Wed 01 Apr 2009, 00:08:47

The headline is appropriate for the part I quoted. If you think using some existing deep water cost structure for planning Tupi's production makes any sense than I've got some real estate for you to look at.

Honestly, this field is probably going to be one of the costlier and more challenging fields than anyone on planet earth has yet attempted. Hell even CERA thinks they are being optimistic! That should tell you something.

Listening to Petrobras, or anyone from Brazil spout how great Tupi is is probably not a prudent thing to do. Can you say Stock Pumping?? With the present environment we are in its going to be nearly impossible for them to exploit this oil in any timely fashion. Things aren't getting better with banking, lending, or credit globally just in case you didnt notice.

Where do you think all that money is going to come from If oil stays below 40-50 $/bbl??? As one person was quoted, it ain't worth anything and getting the capital and proper long term financing in order any time soon is nothing more than wishful thinking. I believe that is the reality.

I dont deny there may be a lot of oil there, but it isnt coming out of those deep layers anytime soon. There will be a lag, and there will likely have to be much higher crude prices in place before any of this really amounts to significant production.
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Re: Credit crunch impacts on production

Unread postby AirlinePilot » Wed 01 Apr 2009, 00:17:25

This is a speculative article...... This part hits home also....

"Oil Euphoria: In the wake of the discovery, there was euphoria in Brazil. Citizens literally danced in the streets of Rio de Janeiro at 2008’s Carnival parades to celebrate the find, with one float named “The Black Gold That Comes From the Sea.” President Luiz Inacio Lula da Silva said the flood of oil money would allow the government to attack poverty among Brazil’s 191 million people, 24 percent of whom live on less than $3 a day.

Then the world economy hit a wall, and the price of oil sank to $32 on Dec. 12 from a peak of $147 on July 11. Even though prices have recovered somewhat -- they stood at $48.4 on March 30 --investors are now wondering whether Tupi will be a bonanza or a case of misguided national celebration. " That's the key. They aren't going to get all that money required from high oil prices my friend. it just doesn't work that way.
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Re: Credit crunch impacts on production

Unread postby copious.abundance » Wed 01 Apr 2009, 14:23:58

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('AirlinePilot', 'W')here do you think all that money is going to come from If oil stays below 40-50 $/bbl???

*sigh* Your own article lists one such source:
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'G')abrielli is looking to China for cash. Petrobras and China Development Bank Corp. agreed on Feb. 19 to a $10 billion loan that Petrobras would pay back with future oil output. Final terms were still under negotiation as of mid-March.

“Capital is tough today, but the Chinese are willing to pay,” says Jorge Pinon, an energy fellow at the University of Miami and former head of BP’s operations in Latin America. “If they prepay, you can get the capital to begin the process.”

If you paid any attention to the Brazil thread, you'd learn of other sources too. The Japanese are paying for a new refinery, they've got Chevon and Exxon as partners in some of these blocks (hardly any shortages of cash there!) and so on, and so forth. Not to mention the Brazilian government itself:
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', '[')b]Not a Dollar Less

With the government in control of almost 60 percent of voting shares, Lula says he still considers Petrobras part of Brazil’s national patrimony. “Petrobras is the mother of our industrial development,” he said in September. He has vowed that oil development will continue apace, even in the face of the economic crisis.

“There will be no cuts in Petrobras projects, not a single dollar,” Lula said at a forum for Brazilian governors in Recife on Dec. 2. He has made more than $5 billion available to Petrobras and its suppliers from state-controlled banks to back up his promise and start the company on its $174 billion spending spree.

Another example here:
http://www.rigzone.com/news/article.asp?a_id=74542
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'A')dditionally, Petrobras has contracted the most newbuild rigs of any operator. Out of the 88 deepwater and ultra-deepwater floaters that are currently being built or are slated to be built, 59 have contracts executed on them -- and Petrobras holds the contracts on 29* of those newbuilds, representing nearly 50%

If Petrobras was hard-up on cash and they were cancelling projects as a result of falling oil prices, where are they getting the money to contract 29 new deepwater rigs, and why would they be contracting so many if their plans were "imperiled?"

I mean, really. The people saying these won't happen are in denial.
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Re: Credit crunch impacts on production

Unread postby Maddog78 » Wed 01 Apr 2009, 15:10:17

I was just reading that Rigzone article on brazil myself this a.m.
Looks like full speed ahead there.
Good for them, they will be well positioned when the price rebounds.
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Re: Credit crunch impacts on production

Unread postby AirlinePilot » Thu 02 Apr 2009, 02:33:48

Oilfinder, you really need to go look up the words, If, maybe, may, possibly and estimated. You obviously do not understand their meanings.

Denial goes both ways. Lets just agree to disagree here and see who comes out more correct when it comes to extraction rates down the road. My personal estimate is that once flow rates are established they are a bit more than I believe they will be, but fall far short of what you wish them to be.
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Re: Credit crunch impacts on production

Unread postby copious.abundance » Thu 02 Apr 2009, 14:21:35

AP, when - that's "when", not "if" - Tupi starts churning out hundreds of thousands of barrels per day, you're never going to hear the end of it from me. I'm warning you right now, you'd better brace yourself for the inevitable onslaught.
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Re: Credit crunch impacts on production

Unread postby Maddog78 » Thu 02 Apr 2009, 15:15:51

It will happen.
I've personally been involved in offshore projects nearly 5000 ft. deep.
It will just take a little fine tuning of the equipment to go even deeper.
Petrobras doesn't seem to think they'll have any major problems and I'm sure they won't.
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Re: Credit crunch impacts on production

Unread postby AirlinePilot » Thu 02 Apr 2009, 17:16:09

Bring it on! I cant wait ;)

Lets see how much they bring on line and what the global decline is between now and then. For the record OF I truly hope you are right.
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Re: Credit crunch impacts on production

Unread postby AirlinePilot » Mon 06 Apr 2009, 14:29:32

I find more good news every day! :cry:

http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601072&sid=a9HrPCuxe.oM&refer=energy


http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601072&sid=afEyeoD811B0&refer=energy

“Both the mothballing of this site’s facilities and the possible complete removal of assets from this site are being studied,” the report said. Reserves for the site were “debooked” from the end of last year.
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