[kmann]

In 1974 a 600,000 job loss was about 0.8% of the job force. Today it's about 0.4% of the job force, so it's not quite as significant. In that recession about 3% of employed people lost jobs, so far this recession about 2.5% of jobs have been lost. In '74 however the job losses were over after about six months. It's been over a year since we've seen job gains in this economy. In that aspect we're more like the '81-'82 recession, which lasted about 16 months. But we don't yet know when this one will end or how deep it will get.
Also, the unemployment rate went over 10% in the early '80s, we're at 7.6% now - though I'm not sure that the numbers are directly comparable. Still, it's not yet as bad as the '80s recession.

[bratticus]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('kmann', 'I')n 1974 a 600,000 job loss was about 0.8% of the job force. Today it's about 0.4% of the job force, so it's not quite as significant.

[Sixstrings]

I don't know, weren't some doomers predicting numbers as high as a million per month by now?

Not that this isn't bad, and I certainly don't want the numbers to go higher.. but it is staying in the same range anyway right?

[bratticus]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Sixstrings', 'I') don't know, weren't some doomers predicting numbers as high as a million per month by now?

[Sixstrings]

I just ran across a chart released by the Speak Pelosi's office. It really does illustrate how dramatic these job losses are compared to prior recessions. Having said that, I'm still lookin for losses of 1 mil a month before I admit the S is hitting TF.

[kmann]

Cummulatively, we have lost about 3.5 million jobs since this recession began in December '07. I doubt we'll reach 1.2 million lost per month. I suspect 1 or 2 more months of "blood letting", that is half a million job losses or so, and then the tide will turn. By early summer the economy will likely be adding jobs, slowly at first I think, then accelerating by late in the year. It's speculation - we'll see what actually happens...

[kmann]

The chart above shows raw numbers, not as a percentage of total work force. There are more people employed now than were employed in '90 or '01. Also, the two previous recessions were recognized as being mild ones. The chart tells a story, just not the whole story.

[Ludi]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('kmann', ' ') By early summer the economy will likely be adding jobs, slowly at first I think, then accelerating by late in the year. It's speculation - we'll see what actually happens...

[Sixstrings]

Good question, Ludi.

The Europeans and Chinese won't even let us use American steel for the new bridges, for crying out loud. With the kind of trade deficit we have, I don't think using American steel is asking too much.

[kmann]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Ludi', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('kmann', ' ') By early summer the economy will likely be adding jobs, slowly at first I think, then accelerating by late in the year. It's speculation - we'll see what actually happens...

[Pretorian]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Sixstrings', 'G')ood question, Ludi.

The Europeans and Chinese won't even let us use American steel for the new bridges, for crying out loud. With the kind of trade deficit we have, I don't think using American steel is asking too much.

[bratticus]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('kmann', 'T')he chart above shows raw numbers, not as a percentage of total work force. There are more people employed now than were employed in '90 or '01. Also, the two previous recessions were recognized as being mild ones. The chart tells a story, just not the whole story.

[kmann]

The employment report comes from a government survey of 375,000 businesses. To the degree that these businesses include illegals in the survey, the report includes them.

[kmann]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'I')t is kind of a scary read, not for the faint of heart

[Pretorian]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('cbxer55', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('kmann', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'I')t is kind of a scary read, not for the faint of heart

[Pretorian]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('cbxer55', '[')S--T happens.
We are not the only ones.

[kmann]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'P')erhaps you oughta read this one then.
Since January 2008 3.6 million people have lost their jobs.
That includes my wife and I.
In January 2009 598,000 lost their jobs.
If it continues at that pace, 7.2 million people will lose their jobs this year. Is that enough for you?

[Nefarious]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'W')e've had recessions before - mild ones, bad ones, short ones and long ones- each for one reason or another, and we've always recovered. If this one is different, there needs to be a compelling reason.

[kmann]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'E')DIT: It would be nice if you could cite your credentials so we can compare them to the ones in the article.

[deMolay]

Rise in Jobless Poses Threat to Stability Worldwide Greg Baker/Associated Press
CHINA: A job fair in Beijing on Feb. 7. Millions of workers across China are looking for work but finding that factories are closing. NELSON D. SCHWARTZ, Published: February 14, 2009;
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', '[')b]PARIS — From lawyers in Paris to factory workers in China and bodyguards in Colombia, the ranks of the jobless are swelling rapidly across the globe. by Ivan Alvarado/Reuters:
CHILE In Santiago, graffiti says “unemployment is humiliation.”
Worldwide job losses from the recession that started in the United States in December 2007 could hit a staggering 50 million by the end of 2009, according to the International Labor Organization, a United Nations agency. The slowdown has already claimed 3.6 million American jobs.

High unemployment rates, especially among young workers, have led to protests in countries as varied as Latvia, Chile, Greece, Bulgaria and Iceland and contributed to strikes in Britain and France. Last month, the government of Iceland, whose economy is expected to contract 10 percent this year, collapsed and the prime minister moved up national elections after weeks of protests by Icelanders angered by soaring unemployment and rising prices.

Just last week, the new United States director of national intelligence, Dennis C. Blair, told Congress that instability caused by the global economic crisis had become the biggest security threat facing the United States, outpacing terrorism. “Nearly everybody has been caught by surprise at the speed in which unemployment is increasing, and are groping for a response,” said Nicolas Véron, a fellow at Bruegel, a research center in Brussels that focuses on Europe’s role in the global economy.

In emerging economies like those in Eastern Europe, there are fears that growing joblessness might encourage a move away from free-market, pro-Western policies, while in developed countries unemployment could bolster efforts to protect local industries at the expense of global trade.

Indeed, some European stimulus packages, as well as one passed Friday in the United States, include protections for domestic companies, increasing the likelihood of protectionist trade battles. Protectionist measures were an intense matter of discussion as finance ministers from the Group of 7 economies met this weekend in Rome. [Page 6.]

While the number of jobs in the United States has been falling since the end of 2007, the pace of layoffs in Europe, Asia and the developing world has caught up only recently as companies that resisted deep cuts in the past follow the lead of their American counterparts.

The International Monetary Fund expects that by the end of the year, global economic growth will reach its lowest point since the Depression, according to Charles Collyns, deputy director of the fund’s research department. The fund said that growth had come to “a virtual halt,” with developed economies expected to shrink by 2 percent in 2009. “This is the worst we’ve had since 1929,” said Laurent Wauquiez, France’s employment minister. “The thing that is new is that it is global, and we are always talking about that. It is in every country, and it makes the whole difference.”

In Asia, any smugness at having escaped losses on American subprime debt has been erased by growing despair over a plunge in sales among major exporters. On Thursday, Pioneer of Japan said it would abandon the flat-screen television business and cut 10,000 jobs worldwide in response to sagging demand for consumer electronics.

Millions of migrant workers in mainland China are searching for jobs but finding that factories are shutting down. Though not as large as the disturbances in Greece or the Baltics, there have been dozens of protests at individual factories in China and Indonesia where workers were laid off with little or no notice. The breadth of the problem is also becoming apparent in Taiwan, where exports were down 42.9 percent last month, compared with a year ago, the steepest plunge in Asia.

Chang Yung-yun, a 57-year-old restaurant kitchen worker, was laid off when her employer closed in mid-November. Her son, an engineer, has been put on unpaid vacation for weeks, a tactic that has become common in Taiwan. “The greatest fear for our people is losing jobs,” Taiwan’s president, Ma Ying-jeou, said in an interview.

Calls for protectionism have resonated among a fearful public. In Britain, refinery and power plant employees walked off the job last month to protest the use of workers from Italy and Portugal at a construction project on the coast. Some held up signs highlighting Prime Minister Gordon Brown’s earlier promise of “British jobs for British workers.”

Unemployment in Britain is expected to rise to 9.5 percent by the middle of 2010, from 6.3 percent now, according to Peter Dixon, an economist with Commerzbank in London. Germany’s jobless rate could rise to 10.5 percent from 7.8 percent, he added. In France last week, President Nicolas Sarkozy agreed to supply low-interest loans of 3 billion euros, or $3.86 billion, each to PSA Peugeot Citroën and Renault in exchange for an agreement not to lay off French workers.