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Re: PETA’s Latest Tactic: $1 Million for Fake Meat

Postby Narz » Fri 25 Apr 2008, 04:23:32

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('smallpoxgirl', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Narz', 'I') think it's a good idea personally.

You can have my share.

Well I barely eat meat myself but if someone can find a way to grow meat without animals having to suffer I'd be down for it. Would probably be less energy intensive too.

Admitedly it would be damn freaky and I probably wouldn't even feed it to my cats but the American public would probably barely bat an eyelash and perhaps it would aid in the dieoff (heh, I'm starting to sound like Jack). :twisted:
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Re: PETA’s Latest Tactic: $1 Million for Fake Meat

Postby billg » Fri 25 Apr 2008, 10:17:28

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('FourOfSwords', 'I')t's sort of already here. Google 'Quorn'. Sold in US and UK. Fake meat made in a commercial vat, out of slime mold...yum.
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I just read up about Quorn on Wikipedia. Wow, that is some funky stuff indeed...mycoprotein which is grown in large oxygenated fermentation tanks and then mixed with egg whites.

Apparently, the company started out by using eggs from battery cage chickens, but then switched to non-battery cage chickens after taking some flak from the UK Vegetarian Society.

I'm definitely a supporter of PETA...I've worked on a few of their campaigns. In my opinion, they are not very radical at all. If the sum consciousness of humanity were higher, PETA would be considered par for the course. PETA's campaigns are directed at the worst of the worst abusers.

Their campaigns are very effective as they have cut into the bottom lines of a lot of big companies and industries (like the fur industry) and have been a major catalyst for reforms.

Its mission is not so much aimed at creating awareness about issues of sustainability, but more about appealing to whatever capacity for compassion that humans may have for other animals. However, I do believe that compassion for other species through choice of diet is an important step to understanding larger issues of sustainability.

PETA is very popular with children, and has done a lot to encourage children to start thinking "outside of the lunchbox".
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Re: Just saw a PETA video

Postby dinopello » Fri 30 Jan 2009, 21:12:22

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Re: Just saw a PETA video

Postby Ayoob » Sun 01 Feb 2009, 04:11:54

Wow, this one came back from the dead.

It's a couple years later and I eat meat again. I'm working towards a situation in which I will raise and slaughter my own meat. It's still a couple years away. Still, I think about the conditions that animals are raised in and use that to guide my purchases.

For example, I found out about Kosher slaughter and saw a few videos of that practice. It tossed my stomach again, and now I won't eat kosher meat. The way the slaughter is carried out is EVEN WORSE than factory farm stuff.

I don't bring it up, though. If a Jew or a Muslim brings up dietary practices, I still don't bring it up. But if they say something about Halal meat or Kosher meat, and this is Kosher or Halal here on my plate or in my sandwich, I might not sit with them again for a meal. I'm not going to convince anyone that Jewish dietary practices are bad, it's too non-PC. It doesn't have anything to do with Jews or Arabs, they can eat normal food if they want. Some people make a specific choice to eat Kosher or Halal, and that's who I avoid.

I just don't think it's right to demand a less humane slaughter for the animals because of your religious affiliations. It's saying you want animals to suffer MORE, so you can say you follow your religious laws.

That's my deal now.
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Postby Pretorian » Sun 01 Feb 2009, 05:49:51

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('uNkNowN ElEmEnt', ' ')A PIG!! I'd like someone to say that to my face (in person of course).


if you like it then why all the fuss about them boards?

But, seriously, what are you going to do? When you are off-duty of course.
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Re: Just saw a PETA video

Postby PenultimateManStanding » Sun 01 Feb 2009, 13:48:07

Interesting to see an ancient thread revived. Like cloning dinosaurs. There was Raxozanne again. She left in a tizzy over a thread about patriarchy. Man, talk about buttons! She had this big red button that screamed DO NOT PUSH THIS BUTTON! Sinisterbluecat has been gone for a long time too. Too bad, I hope she comes back.
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Re: Just saw a PETA video

Postby aldente » Tue 03 Feb 2009, 18:19:54

In hindsight one wonders truly where some of the posters from the "old days" ended up (mentally). After all this is a brain-forum, attacting likeminded thinkers, or so at least it seems.


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Re: Just saw a PETA video

Postby Jotapay » Tue 03 Feb 2009, 18:38:46

Meat is murder!

...sweet, sweet murder

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Re: Just saw a PETA video

Postby aldente » Tue 03 Feb 2009, 18:50:33

Obviously it is Jotapay. what else would it be? A creature is a creature, is a creature.
I eat meat here and there, even though I have been a vegetarian for over 20 years. Living in Asia however made it impossible to continue this self-prescribed diet. It was in North Africa actually where I was cured from my egocentric diet originally, as a young man in the early stages of vegetarianism. Nowadays I vote for breatherianism - meaning neither solid or liquid intake at all. PETA activists are hippocrates technically , since they still must eat plants- which is a destructive measure to the individual plant live form, (not to say that they point their fingers in the right direction when it comes to a public that devours meat "as if it would be a commodity").

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Re: Just saw a PETA video

Postby Pretorian » Tue 03 Feb 2009, 18:51:17

What do Petans say about traditional non-factory farming? Not that I care about their opninon, but still-- is it better not to be born at all or be born , run around on the farm for a few months, and die quick?
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Re: Just saw a PETA video

Postby aldente » Fri 06 Feb 2009, 20:28:26

...not to say that they point their fingers in the "wrong" direction, to edit the input before.
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Last Year, PETA Euthanized 2,352 Animals While Only Saving 8

Postby Sixstrings » Wed 17 Mar 2010, 19:12:59

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'P')ETA’s Euthanasia Rates Have Critics Fuming, according to AOL News, and rightfully so.

“In 2009, PETA euthanized 2,301 dogs and cats -- 97 percent of those brought in -- and adopted only eight, according to Virginia state figures. And the rate of these killings has been increasing.”

That’s 2352 animals: 681 dogs, 1620 cats and 51 other companion animals.

A mere eight of them were saved.

Granted, PETA’s main function isn’t to run as an adoption agency, but eight animals? That’s just shameful. Where’s the ethical treatment in that? Was something wrong with them? Terminal illness? Injuries? Behavioral issues? Aggression? Were all of the dogs Pit bulls?

According to Daphna Nachminovitch, vice president of cruelty investigations at PETA, their euthanasia program isn’t any big secret. She also adds that money can’t buy a good home.

Maybe not, but with $34 million in the bank, surely more of an effort could have been made. Maybe by spending less on things like billboards that shame women into giving up meat by calling them whales…because only skinny people care about animals?
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Hypocrisy upon hypocrisy, it's everywhere in our society. This is really bizarre, of all people you wouldn't think that PETA would euthanize almost every animal they "rescue."
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Re: Last Year, PETA Euthanized 2,352 Animals While Only Saving 8

Postby rangerone314 » Thu 18 Mar 2010, 08:22:19

Why be surprised that the rot has spread everywhere?
An ideology is by definition not a search for TRUTH-but a search for PROOF that its point of view is right

Equals barter and negotiate-people with power just take

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Re: Last Year, PETA Euthanized 2,352 Animals While Only Saving 8

Postby Sixstrings » Thu 18 Mar 2010, 13:55:28

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('rangerone314', 'W')hy be surprised that the rot has spread everywhere?


I feel strongly about this because at least in my area, we have a superb no-kill animal shelter. It was set up by the will of a wealthy couple over 50 years ago. The animals have 40 full acres to roam free on, and the facilities are very nice and the grounds always perfectly manicured. It looks like a little dog heaven when you drive by, all these dogs enjoying such a nice spread. :)

This kind of shelter isn't cheap, of course. Its endowment is large enough to support it in perpetuity, and it also gets a lot of local charitable support. I think people appreciate it simply because it is a no-kill shelter, so if you donate money you know that you really are rescuing animals whether they get adopted or not.

So while the PETA pinheads claim that all shelters are inhumane, I know for a fact they're flat wrong. A shelter doesn't have to keep animals in cages all the time, all they need is charitable support and they can buy open land. PETA has a lot of wealthy benefactors and I doubt they're running on a shoe-string budget. Harassing humans is one thing, but if they take live animals into their care they ought to fund a humane no-kill shelter, not put all the animals down.
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Re: Last Year, PETA Euthanized 2,352 Animals While Only Saving 8

Postby rangerone314 » Thu 18 Mar 2010, 14:14:43

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Sixstrings', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('rangerone314', 'W')hy be surprised that the rot has spread everywhere?


I feel strongly about this because at least in my area, we have a superb no-kill animal shelter. It was set up by the will of a wealthy couple over 50 years ago. The animals have 40 full acres to roam free on, and the facilities are very nice and the grounds always perfectly manicured. It looks like a little dog heaven when you drive by, all these dogs enjoying such a nice spread. :)

This kind of shelter isn't cheap, of course. Its endowment is large enough to support it in perpetuity, and it also gets a lot of local charitable support. I think people appreciate it simply because it is a no-kill shelter, so if you donate money you know that you really are rescuing animals whether they get adopted or not.

So while the PETA pinheads claim that all shelters are inhumane, I know for a fact they're flat wrong. A shelter doesn't have to keep animals in cages all the time, all they need is charitable support and they can buy open land. PETA has a lot of wealthy benefactors and I doubt they're running on a shoe-string budget. Harassing humans is one thing, but if they take live animals into their care they ought to fund a humane no-kill shelter, not put all the animals down.

I wonder what the salaries at the top of PETA are...
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Re: THE PETA Thread (merged)

Postby dinopello » Thu 18 Mar 2010, 14:15:19

It's the PETA version of the Death Panel !

Putting a suffering animal down is difficult but - if the suffering is acute, it isn't that impossible. "Pre-terminating" on the assumption that the suffering will occur at some point would be a problem if that is indeed what has occurred.
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Re: THE PETA Thread (merged)

Postby Sixstrings » Thu 18 Mar 2010, 14:47:46

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('dinopello', 'I')t's the PETA version of the Death Panel !

Putting a suffering animal down is difficult but - if the suffering is acute, it isn't that impossible. "Pre-terminating" on the assumption that the suffering will occur at some point would be a problem if that is indeed what has occurred.


Well to be fair, I think euthanasia is the norm for shelters (when the animals don't get adopted, or are "problem" animals). My community is lucky to have the no-kill shelter, but I guess this just isn't something other communities want to pay taxes for or donate to. It's sort of sad really, since we've had a no-kill policy for 50 years now and there are 250,000 people in my county. So that proves it is possible, even in a moderately populous area.

My beef with PETA is that it's just plain twisted for anybody who claims to care so much about pets to actually euthanize rather than rescue. They either need to stay out of animal rescue, or provide a better service than what every town already has anyway.
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Re: THE PETA Thread (merged)

Postby dinopello » Thu 18 Mar 2010, 14:54:04

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Sixstrings', 'M')y beef with PETA is that it's just plain twisted for anybody who claims to care so much about pets to actually euthanize rather than rescue.


PETA is opposed to the idea of "pets".
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Re: THE PETA Thread (merged)

Postby Sixstrings » Thu 18 Mar 2010, 15:07:23

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('dinopello', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Sixstrings', 'P')ETA is opposed to the idea of "pets".


Wow, that is bizarre.. so these people who care so much about animals won't even have one in their home? That's just such nonsense.. humans and domesticated animals are symbiotic species. We both NEED EACH OTHER for our survival.

Anyhow, I'll get off the PETA soapbox since PETA is just crazy anyway. I read somewhere how they threw paint on some horseback riders, and that was it for me that's just harassment.
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Re: THE PETA Thread (merged)

Postby dinopello » Fri 30 Sep 2011, 11:25:24

PETA opposes chicken carcass 'porn'

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'T')he "pin-up" style photo of a raw chicken lounging seductively ran in Wednesday's food section of the New York Times along with a story on the appeal of crispy, savory chicken skin.

The image was intended as a humorous, eye-catching approach to your standard food fetish art. But PETA's Newkirk is calling it necrophilia.
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