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Re: To all my valued employees...

Postby bratticus » Thu 22 Jan 2009, 11:29:06

Posted Jan 15, 2009:
http://www.globalaffairs.org/forum/show ... hp?t=66221
Internally dated Jan 3, 2009

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Posted Dec 30, 2008:
http://metaya.wordpress.com/2008/12/30/ ... -the-boss/
No internal date.

Got one older?
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Re: To all my valued employees...

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Re: To all my valued employees...

Postby Schmuto » Thu 22 Jan 2009, 11:44:46

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('mos6507', 'T')his is an impassioned Joe the Plumber trickle-down argument but the fact is, people are going to pay taxes. You can shift the burden around, but somebody's gonna pay and whoever does pay is gonna whine. Too Fn bad.


Classic Mos the Marxist!

Mos I know you. You've got 100k saved up. You work in a cube farm somewhere making 40 or 60k a year. You're bitter.

And you can't stand the fact that some guy has outworked you his entire life.

Even more than that, you can't stand that he has more than you because of it.

That's the selling point of Marxism - you sell to people who buy the whole "suppression by the wealthy" spiel because it's much easier than having to swallow that you've underachieved your whole life and the guy who runs the company is blowing your doors off.

Anybody who reads this article and thinks, "tough!" really is the exact opposite kind of person than me.

I run my own business so I know exactly what the story is portraying - I lived it.

And now I pay 35% in Federal income taxes, about 5% in state taxes, and, once you put all the other local taxes on top of it, almost 1 out of every 2 dollars I make is going to the black hole of government spending.

But before I go too far on that rant digression, let me point out the HUGE error in Mos' Marxist thinking:

Mos takes it as a given that taxes must
be paid. That is, Mos doesn't even let the light of day hit the notion that - perhaps we can simply reduce government expenditures.

You see?

That's the disease of socialism - you get poisoned when you're young into thinking, "well, we've all got to pay our taxes. That's the way it is."

Meanwhile, day by day, the monstrous, inefficient pig know as the Government gets bigger.

In 1912, your total income tax burden would have been - - - 0 dollars.

That's right.

Zero.

Can you even imagine it?

So when you hear Marxist apologists like Mos spit their bitter hatred for successful businesspeople, remember his basic principle . . .

He LOVES bigger government - not only does it give him stuff for which he doesn't have to work, it also taxes people like me at a 50% rate, thereby transferring my hard work to him and restraining me from getting too far out ahead of Mos at the same time.

What a great thread.
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Re: To all my valued employees...

Postby bratticus » Thu 22 Jan 2009, 11:44:46

Attribution, but is it valid?

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', '[')b]Real Letter From CEO To His Employees


Signed, Your boss,
Michael A. Crowley,
PE Crowley, Crisp & Associates, Inc.
Professional Engineers 1
906 South Main Street, Suite 122
Wake Forest, NC 27587


UPDATE
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', '[')b]Michael A Crowley - Hero of The Week

... skip ...
The letter is fake.

Call Mike Crowley and ask him yourself.

919.562.8860 x22
... snip ...
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Re: To all my valued employees...

Postby AlexdeLarge » Thu 22 Jan 2009, 11:45:12

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('flapjax', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Bossman', '
')___________________________

To All My Valued Employees,

You see, I'm done. I'm done with a country that penalizes the productive and gives to the unproductive. My motivation to work and to provide jobs will be destroyed, and with it, will be my citizenship.


Lets not kid ourselves. His goal in life was to provide jobs and work hard? Riiight. If he is so damn charitable why does he have such a problem with taxes? Where on earth can you escape the unproductive?

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Bossman', '
')So, if you lose your job, it won't be at the hands of the economy; it will be at the hands of a political hurricane that swept through this country, steamrolled the constitution, and will have changed its landscape forever.


If you lose your job, don't blame me... the guy that let you go. Its those damn Dems! Nothing to do with the economy at all. Farking brilliant.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Bossman', '
')If that happens, you can find me sitting on a beach, retired, and with no employees to worry about....

Signed, YOUR BOSS FOR NOW


Worry about yourself some more... asshole. See you in hell.

What should we do with those who do not have the tools to self sustain as this man was capable of? If you think everyone has the same chance to make it through life like this man, you don't live on the same earth I do. Yes, there are those who just sit there with thier hands out. Thats not a good thing. But what do we do about it? Stop cutting welfare checks? No more government cheese? Let them die off? Your country gave you the ability to be fortunate enough to retire and not worry about anything but yourself and now you want to turn your back on it? Spare us the sob storry, please. If you're so much more entitled than the rest of us... Beat it!


Spoken like someone who has never had to meet a payroll and works for the government! lol
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Re: To all my valued employees...

Postby bratticus » Thu 22 Jan 2009, 11:57:01

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'I') eat, and breathe this company


why a comma there?

deletion of this text:

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'I') eat, s**t and breathe this company


left the comma there where none should be.

The s**t versions are therefor older.

Here's one:

http://www.weslinda.com/files/Valued-Employees.pdf

The date-stamp on the file in the web server says

November 20, 2008 00:32:49 GMT

The "properties" say

Created 11/17/2008
Modified 11/20/2008
Acrobat PDF Maker 7.0.7 for Word

Author: M. G. LaMar

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', '[')b]About WesLinda.com

My goal is to help small businesses, non-profit organizations and anyone looking to improve their current web site. I’ll cover topics including web accessibility, web design, search engine optimization, web marketing and more.

... snip ...


http://www.linkedin.com/pub/4/16a/24b

I don't know how I happened onto it.... It's a question of computing.

Computing is a thing that seduced me.
Computing is a thing that perverted me.
Computing is a thing that formed me.
Computing is a thing that deformed me.

That's why I am a poet, probably because I am very sensitive to computing -- correct or incorrect, I wink at that.
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Re: To all my valued employees...

Postby HeckuvaJob » Thu 22 Jan 2009, 11:57:09

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('hope_full', 'F')ound this on the 'net this morning, but couldn't find an author's name.

Weird, huh? They hit every Republican talking point yet offer so few business-specific details or anecdotes.
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', '.')..serves over 2,200,000 people per year with a flourishing business

I'm surprised there's such a high demand for flourishments in today's economy! This person must not be very proud of their product or services to not even name them.

I'm of the opinion that economic stimulus is based on wages, which in turn drive demand. I think if a business can't keep up with demand, they'll hire another employee regardless of their tax burden.

Why didn't this person attach a petition to close all the tax loopholes that more than half of our corporations take advantage of? Maybe a proposal to raise tariffs and make outsourcing less profitable?

Single moms at home raising their fourth kid waiting for the welfare check? Perchance any of these moms are widowed? I'd like someone to add up all the money we spend on social programs in one year and calculate how many minutes of the Iraq war it would pay for.
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Re: To all my valued employees...

Postby lawnchair » Thu 22 Jan 2009, 12:09:42

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Schmuto', '
')In 1912, your total income tax burden would have been - - - 0 dollars.


Yet, the federal government spent millions on wars, etc, even then. Not as much as now, obviously, but a lot. How? Oh, yeah. Protectionism and tariffs. The American School.

Actually, millions will not leave. They will lay down, though. My wife and I are both quite smart (by testing, at least). I'm quite strong, too. And generally willing to work smilingly.

We work, between us, about 50 hours a week. Make about $25k. Spend about $20k. Which actually works out in small-town Kansas. Fact is, we don't see the rewards in modern society for working hard (whee, a big house in a faceless suburb with some weekends to enjoy the big-screen TV and 500 channels, and a machine that goes 'bing' for the last 3 weeks of life) as worth the exchange of spending a lot of the better part of the 450,000 hours we have in life together (if we're lucky) at work or commuting there.

Now, to a degree, we're free-riding on the system. We use nice paved roads that we contribute little in taxes to. We use the library that we pay little to use. We're defended by a military we pay very little toward.

On the other side, though, we feel that society could actually provide what we have and want, to everyone, for everyone working 25 hours a week. So, we don't exactly feel guilty, either.
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Re: To all my valued employees...

Postby davep » Thu 22 Jan 2009, 12:30:26

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('bratticus', 'T')he date-stamp on the file in the web server says

November 20, 2009 00:32:49 GMT


Amazing!
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Re: To all my valued employees...

Postby Schmuto » Thu 22 Jan 2009, 12:31:13

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('lawnchair', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Schmuto', 'I')n 1912, your total income tax burden would have been - - - 0 dollars.
Yet, the federal government spent millions on wars, etc, even then. Not as much as now, obviously, but a lot. How? Oh, yeah. Protectionism and tariffs. The American School.

Your words are misleading because they seem to suggest that the tariffs were some how oppressive or bad for the country.

I'll rejoin with a chart that, I believe, will make perfectly clear that the problem with high taxes is high government spending. WWI barely appears as a blip. WWII is slightly greater.

The problem, very simply, is that government spending is completely out of control, and I'm not sure how any reasonable person could look at the graph and not come to that conclusion.

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Re: To all my valued employees...

Postby bratticus » Thu 22 Jan 2009, 12:31:15

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('davep', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('bratticus', 'T')he date-stamp on the file in the web server says

November 20, 2009 00:32:49 GMT


Amazing!


Nope, simply HTTP headers.
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Re: To all my valued employees...

Postby WildRose » Thu 22 Jan 2009, 12:33:40

This guy makes some fairly sweeping generalizations about his employees. He assumes that they didn't have to struggle as much as he did, which I'm sure isn't the case for every employee.

I could cite details about my own husband's work and how much his employer depends on him for the success of the business (as he is not easily replaceable), but I won't.
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Re: To all my valued employees...

Postby davep » Thu 22 Jan 2009, 12:34:14

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('bratticus', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('davep', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('bratticus', 'T')he date-stamp on the file in the web server says

November 20, 2009 00:32:49 GMT


Amazing!


Nope, simply HTTP headers.


I think you missed the point. So far, this is not the oldest. Check the date again. :o
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Re: To all my valued employees...

Postby evilgenius » Thu 22 Jan 2009, 12:38:55

In case you people missed it that is not a real letter, it is a Republican shill piece designed to work its way through these times and produce at the ballot box two years from now.

I'm sure every single mother has three kids and is working on the fourth, with yet again a different man!

I'm sure that a business owner is going to mention the word fire to any set of employees without having actually done so. Even in these trying times there is no better way to ensure that they all begin to find ways of leaving you if you express it that way. Oh, but this isn't about them. It isn't about being a real business owner either.
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Re: To all my valued employees...

Postby bratticus » Thu 22 Jan 2009, 12:44:41

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('davep', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('bratticus', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('davep', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('bratticus', 'T')he date-stamp on the file in the web server says

November 20, 2009 00:32:49 GMT


Amazing!


Nope, simply HTTP headers.


I think you missed the point. So far, this is not the oldest. Check the date again. :o


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Re: To all my valued employees...

Postby charliebrownout » Thu 22 Jan 2009, 12:53:26

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('evilgenius', 'I')n case you people missed it that is not a real letter, it is a Republican shill piece designed to work its way through these times and produce at the ballot box two years from now.

I'm sure every single mother has three kids and is working on the fourth, with yet again a different man!

I'm sure that a business owner is going to mention the word fire to any set of employees without having actually done so. Even in these trying times there is no better way to ensure that they all begin to find ways of leaving you if you express it that way. Oh, but this isn't about them. It isn't about being a real business owner either.


Exactly...any business owner dumb enough to write something like that and actually send it to employees probably doesn't have any concept of what the words "lynch mob" mean when strung together in a sentence. If it weren't a suicide letter, then it would at least be the clear expression of a death wish :)

Well, good to know the partisans are still plugging away!
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Re: To all my valued employees...

Postby JoeW » Thu 22 Jan 2009, 13:29:22

schmuto--

nice graph of government spending. can you tell me where you found that, and whether it adjusts for inflation?

thanks.

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Re: To all my valued employees...

Postby flapjax » Thu 22 Jan 2009, 13:53:17

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('AlexdeLarge', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('flapjax', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Bossman', '
')___________________________

To All My Valued Employees,

You see, I'm done. I'm done with a country that penalizes the productive and gives to the unproductive. My motivation to work and to provide jobs will be destroyed, and with it, will be my citizenship.


Lets not kid ourselves. His goal in life was to provide jobs and work hard? Riiight. If he is so damn charitable why does he have such a problem with taxes? Where on earth can you escape the unproductive?

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Bossman', '
')So, if you lose your job, it won't be at the hands of the economy; it will be at the hands of a political hurricane that swept through this country, steamrolled the constitution, and will have changed its landscape forever.


If you lose your job, don't blame me... the guy that let you go. Its those damn Dems! Nothing to do with the economy at all. Farking brilliant.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Bossman', '
')If that happens, you can find me sitting on a beach, retired, and with no employees to worry about....

Signed, YOUR BOSS FOR NOW


Worry about yourself some more... asshole. See you in hell.

What should we do with those who do not have the tools to self sustain as this man was capable of? If you think everyone has the same chance to make it through life like this man, you don't live on the same earth I do. Yes, there are those who just sit there with thier hands out. Thats not a good thing. But what do we do about it? Stop cutting welfare checks? No more government cheese? Let them die off? Your country gave you the ability to be fortunate enough to retire and not worry about anything but yourself and now you want to turn your back on it? Spare us the sob storry, please. If you're so much more entitled than the rest of us... Beat it!


Spoken like someone who has never had to meet a payroll and works for the government! lol

Nope I don't work for the government. It is a sad day when a so called patriot such as yourself, alexdesmalls would frown upon government employees and the neccessity of paying taxes. Maybe we should have a volunteer army, teachers, construction workers, and lawmakers. You are such and impotent boob, smalls. Incapable of the artistic appreciation of our Clockwork Orange, I'm sure of.
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Re: To all my valued employees...

Postby mefistofeles » Thu 22 Jan 2009, 15:31:49

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'N')ope I don't work for the government. It is a sad day when a so called patriot such as yourself, alexdesmalls would frown upon government employees and the neccessity of paying taxes. Maybe we should have a volunteer army, teachers, construction workers, and lawmakers. You are such and impotent boob, smalls. Incapable of the artistic appreciation of our Clockwork Orange, I'm sure of.


I think you're missing the big picture. The big picture is that government is pushing the country to the edge of bankruptcy. I know that here in California my state government has been so irresponsible that even if we lay off all the state employees there's no way to close the budget gap.

The Feds are even worse we have obligations approaching that are so enormous that even at 100% taxation rates we won't be able to pay for them.

Its not a case of Girls Gone Wild so much as Government Gone Wild.

Of course with the current economic situation there is no call whatsoever for fiscal restraint or moderation. Obama has openly warned of trillion dollar deficits, which will probably be more like two trillion dollar deficits.

Its too late anyway the Ponzi scheme is coming to an end. The outcome is inevitable:the complete and utterly collapse of the United States.
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