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Re: To all my valued employees...

Unread postby bratticus » Fri 23 Jan 2009, 00:41:40

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('bratticus', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('AlexdeLarge', 'T')his chain story has been around for years. (Edited from time to time for current events.) This does not make mood/jist of the story less real.


Can you provide a link to one older than November 17, 2008?

Thanks.


Still waiting for that link the proves the story has been around for years.
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Re: To all my valued employees...

Unread postby phaster » Fri 23 Jan 2009, 03:00:05

To All My Valued Employees,

Ya should be grateful that I even tolerate your presents, actually you should be paying me to put up with all the $hit I have to put up with. Boo hoo if ya think your taxes are too high, ya need to pay them so I'll have a nice road for my trophy wife's Bentley, my Ferarri and mistress's Benz.

Also pardon me for living the good life, its all your own fault for not being born into a family with the right connections.

Now get back to work, ya lazy SOB's! Don't ya realize that I have to pay my political action committee lobbyiste next week, so they can educate the senitor so they can introduce legislation to remove expensive environmental rules.

BTW be forwarned some of you next week will have to train your replacements. This cost cutting measure will improve short term profits, and in turn increase the value of my stock options.

respectifully,

your beloved boss





$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Falconoffury', 'I') work for a small business, and if I was suddenly fired without training my replacement, the business would become crippled within 2 weeks. The owner of the company makes about 20x what I earn working there. He does bust his ass and work every second of his life, but it pays off. Taxes may be too high, but he drives a Bentley while a lot of people working here drive a Corolla.

Taxes for all working-class individuals and business owners need to go down, along with the spending in all levels of government. Business owners are not alone in this.
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Re: To all my valued employees...

Unread postby idiom » Fri 23 Jan 2009, 04:12:37

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('phaster', ' ')This cost cutting measure will improve short term profits, and in turn increase the value of my stock options.


Obviously you are incapable of telling the difference between a small business owner who already holds all the stock and who has a very long term mindset, the kind of business man that America needs more of, and his antithesis, the corporate management goon who is just there for a paycheck, takes on zero personal risk and has a very short time horizon.

The guy who built Ford (mister Ford) was a very very different individual from the guys who run Ford of today.
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Re: To all my valued employees...

Unread postby Snowrunner » Fri 23 Jan 2009, 05:00:33

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Falconoffury', 'T')axes for all working-class individuals and business owners need to go down, along with the spending in all levels of government. Business owners are not alone in this.


I call BS on that.

Of course only because I do believe that certain things should be taken care of "by the masses" and not be paid by an individual.

If you think that nothing should be paid for by the many for the benefit of the few(er) then of course you're right.
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Re: To all my valued employees...

Unread postby Snowrunner » Fri 23 Jan 2009, 05:03:13

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Sixstrings', '[')b]davep wrote:
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'W')hile I agree with sixstrings, don't forget that French life expectancy and quality of life are both significantly better than in the US. Don't look at the world through an economic prism, that's how we got in this mess in the first place.


I wasn't criticizing the French way of doing things. Just pointing out how ludicrous it is for American business people to whine about taxation and over regulation. Lol!


I have had my own business in Germany (not France) but the one thing I can tell you that makes thing a LOT easier to run a business in Europe is that the rules are "on the table".

In the US there is an utter lack of COHERENT regulation and you can suddenly find yourself breaking some obscure regulation that only exists in the county you're in.

If I had the choice I would open a business anywhere BUT the US, higher taxes be damned, at least I am told the cost of opening the business upfront instead of suddenly getting hit from behind with all kind of strange rules and regulation, not to mention taxation.
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Re: To all my valued employees...

Unread postby AlexdeLarge » Fri 23 Jan 2009, 10:24:36

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('bratticus', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('bratticus', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('AlexdeLarge', 'T')his chain story has been around for years. (Edited from time to time for current events.) This does not make mood/jist of the story less real.


Can you provide a link to one older than November 17, 2008?

Thanks.


Still waiting for that link the proves the story has been around for years.


No linky. I remember getting a variation on this letter via a viral chain email years ago. ( Hell it may have been as far back as the end of the Clinton years.)
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Re: To all my valued employees...

Unread postby jdmartin » Fri 23 Jan 2009, 11:06:48

This "letter" is nothing more than stupid internet spamola e-mail crap. It's a bunch of bullshit. "Entrepreneurs" don't employ people out of charity - they employ them to do a job. Who is going to do the jobs of the people he fired in his little snit protest? Who's going to buy his business, apparently failing since he wants out so bad, so he can retire to his little utopia in Honduras? BTW, I've heard the security for rich gringos in these teetering countries is not that good.

Anyway, the "letter" is not even composed well. "You'd quit and you wouldn't work here anymore" in the same sentence? Well no shit sherlock, if you quit you wouldn't work there, does it bear clarification? It's nothing more than crybaby bullshit without any context to back it up.
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Re: To all my valued employees...

Unread postby vision-master » Fri 23 Jan 2009, 11:10:56

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('jdmartin', 'T')his "letter" is nothing more than stupid internet spamola e-mail crap. It's a bunch of bullshit. "Entrepreneurs" don't employ people out of charity - they employ them to do a job. Who is going to do the jobs of the people he fired in his little snit protest? Who's going to buy his business, apparently failing since he wants out so bad, so he can retire to his little utopia in Honduras? BTW, I've heard the security for rich gringos in these teetering countries is not that good.

Anyway, the "letter" is not even composed well. "You'd quit and you wouldn't work here anymore" in the same sentence? Well no crap sherlock, if you quit you wouldn't work there, does it bear clarification? It's nothing more than crybaby bullshit without any context to back it up.


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Re: To all my valued employees...

Unread postby idiom » Fri 23 Jan 2009, 19:17:40

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('jdmartin', '"')Entrepreneurs" don't employ people out of charity.


Some of us do. Otherwise some people could only ever hope for a government job where they have to hired to meet a quota.

Entrepreneurs also actually give to charities and such. Unbelievable as that may sound.
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Re: To all my valued employees...

Unread postby Stonemason » Sat 24 Jan 2009, 05:53:20

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('idiom', 'T')he guy who built Ford (mister Ford) was a very very different individual from the guys who run Ford of today.


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Re: To all my valued employees...

Unread postby ReverseEngineer » Sat 24 Jan 2009, 06:43:43

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('idiom', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('jdmartin', '"')Entrepreneurs" don't employ people out of charity.


Some of us do. Otherwise some people could only ever hope for a government job where they have to hired to meet a quota.

Entrepreneurs also actually give to charities and such. Unbelievable as that may sound.


AKA "I'm a GOOD Biznessman! I CARE about my Employees! I hire Retards to pack the Groceries!"

You know, you might be a freaking SAINT as a Biznessman, but its not worth a hill of beans if your biz goes bankrupt and you have to lay off your workers. Dollars to doughnuts there is somebody your fire who decides to Go Postal, so I suggest investing heavily in Kevlar BVDs here.

If you think you own your bizness, you are deluded. You own nothing, and if you try to hold onto nothing, you'll be pushing up daisies with the first wave.

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Re: To all my valued employees...

Unread postby Quinny » Sat 24 Jan 2009, 07:27:50

The OP is bullshit. The tax paid by his employees is most likely much higher than that paid by him.
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Re: To all my valued employees...

Unread postby MarkJ » Sat 24 Jan 2009, 09:51:33

For property/physical/financial/data security and employee productivity reasons, many employers won't tell employees they *might* be terminated. With an advance warning, employees could steal, vandalize or destroy property, vehicles, equipment, data, stage lawsuits etc.

Most employees we've terminated during tight job markets tend to be scared and/or depressed (even suicidal), not angry or vengeful, but you get the rare hothead with fantasies of vengeance on their employers, co-workers or the world in general.

Of course Valued Employees aren't likely to be terminated. When we've sold, relocated or downsized businesses, we've kept many valued employees, or helped them find other jobs.
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Re: To all my valued employees...

Unread postby Ludi » Sat 24 Jan 2009, 10:42:36

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('MarkJ', '
')Most employees we've terminated during tight job markets tend to be scared and/or depressed (even suicidal),


Did you try to get them any help with their depression, or did you just toss them out to sink or swim?
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Re: To all my valued employees...

Unread postby ColossalContrarian » Sat 24 Jan 2009, 10:56:27

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Ludi', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('MarkJ', '
')Most employees we've terminated during tight job markets tend to be scared and/or depressed (even suicidal),


Did you try to get them any help with their depression, or did you just toss them out to sink or swim?


No, you try and help your business through the depression in hopes of hiring good employees back when things get better -mental illness or not.

Mentally ill employees need to take responisibilty for their illness, it's not the job of the former boss.
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Re: To all my valued employees...

Unread postby Ludi » Sat 24 Jan 2009, 10:58:19

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('ColossalContrarian', '
')Mentally ill employees need to take responisibilty for their illness, it's not the job of the former boss.


It's almost impossible for a mentally ill person to "take responsibility for their illness." They need help finding resources to support them, such as the local mental health clinic, which they may not even be aware of.
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Re: To all my valued employees...

Unread postby vision-master » Sat 24 Jan 2009, 11:51:09

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'M')ost employees we've terminated during tight job markets tend to be scared and/or depressed (even suicidal), not angry or vengeful, but you get the rare hothead with fantasies of vengeance on their employers, co-workers or the world in general.



Fantasies? My brother worked for an evil auto dealership. Two line workers tried shooting a select few managers. One, his wife called the cops before he reached the shop and they had a shoot out. The other, I don't know what happened other than he didn't make it to the shop with his gun. They had not been terminated by the boss before hand either.
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Re: To all my valued employees...

Unread postby MarkJ » Sat 24 Jan 2009, 12:05:00

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Ludi', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('MarkJ', '
')Most employees we've terminated during tight job markets tend to be scared and/or depressed (even suicidal),


Did you try to get them any help with their depression, or did you just toss them out to sink or swim?


Most employees aren't depressed until *after* a layoff or termination. There's little we can do to help unless we're informed of their condition by friends, relatives or co-workers.

If an employee shows sings of mental illness, or potentially violent behavior, one of our managers generally contacts security and the police department. The police department then contacts mental health services.
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Re: To all my valued employees...

Unread postby Voice_du_More » Sat 24 Jan 2009, 12:07:39

Somehow I thought someone on this site lived above the ideology of where the tax breaks should go. What a chump to blame anyone. The self made man broken by circumstances bigger than himself, poor pitiful little ape. He gave it his best and just when the Austin Martin was within reach the universe decided that life was not about how many toys you could get or how proud you are of how hard you work, or how many of your friends were getting some while you squeezed in some Internet excitement between revisions of your business model.

The document itself is complete propaganda probably contrived by someone who frequents this site. The mushy feel sorry for your corporate owners drivel does not wash with the guy whose salary has been frozen, whose healthcare is too expensive to use, and who will never be able to afford even last years Mercedes, and who is now looking at an IOU instead of a tax return depending on his state of residence.

Can't you see the big crocodile tears in my eyes as I consider all the hard work the writer put into his business, how he compromised his ethics to live within a system that we knew was going to crash 30 years ago. The baby boomers have a sad story to tell you at every income level. The fact is they are the generation that said they would never grow old, but in fact they never grew up. Still scratching their arses wondering why the giant ATM does'nt work anymore. 'Have'nt we bowed to it, sung our songs to it, taught our children to worship and die for it?'

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Re: To all my valued employees...

Unread postby Voice_du_More » Sat 24 Jan 2009, 12:10:20

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('MarkJ', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Ludi', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('MarkJ', '
')Most employees we've terminated during tight job markets tend to be scared and/or depressed (even suicidal),


Did you try to get them any help with their depression, or did you just toss them out to sink or swim?


Most employees aren't depressed until *after* a layoff or termination. There's little we can do to help unless we're informed of their condition by friends, relatives or co-workers.

If an employee shows sings of mental illness, or potentially violent behavior, one of our managers generally contacts security and the police department. The police department then contacts mental health services.


You sound like a very compasionate individual. May you also find compassion in your hour of testing, which is coming soon.
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