Peak Oil
Donate Bitcoin

Donate Paypal


PeakOil is You

PeakOil is You

Theism, Agnosticism, Atheism, Deism, etc...

What's on your mind?
General interest discussions, not necessarily related to depletion.
Post a reply

Re: Theism, Agnosticism, Atheism, Deism, etc...

Unread postby outcast » Wed 07 Jan 2009, 06:31:18

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'G')od, if he exists, is by definition uncreated and uncaused.



If it is uncreated then how can it exist?
User avatar
outcast
Tar Sands
Tar Sands
 
Posts: 885
Joined: Mon 21 Apr 2008, 03:00:00
Top

Re: Theism, Agnosticism, Atheism, Deism, etc...

Unread postby Fredrik » Wed 07 Jan 2009, 07:04:01

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('outcast', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'G')od, if he exists, is by definition uncreated and uncaused.


If it is uncreated then how can it exist?


I could say something cool like He is the source of existence itself, but I don't think any human can wrap his head around the ultimate mystery of existence. It seems to be a Kierkegaardian jump of faith whichever option you choose.
"Only scarcity and effort make life worth living."
"A fundamental, devastating error is to set up a political system based on [individual] desires." -Pentti Linkola
User avatar
Fredrik
Lignite
Lignite
 
Posts: 397
Joined: Sun 05 Nov 2006, 04:00:00
Location: Finland
Top

Re: Theism, Agnosticism, Atheism, Deism, etc...

Unread postby POAlex » Wed 07 Jan 2009, 23:00:00

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('outcast', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('POAlex', '[')i]"In the beginning God created..."

Alex



Then what created god?


The Bible says God is eternal, having no beginning or end. He exists outside of time. Eternity is probably the hardest thing for the finite human mind to conceive.

"Before the mountains were brought forth, or ever thou hadst formed the earth and the world, even from everlasting to everlasting, thou art God." (Psalm 90:2)

Alex
User avatar
POAlex
Wood
Wood
 
Posts: 29
Joined: Tue 10 Jul 2007, 03:00:00
Location: Canada
Top

Re: Theism, Agnosticism, Atheism, Deism, etc...

Unread postby vision-master » Thu 08 Jan 2009, 10:53:34

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('POAlex', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('outcast', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('POAlex', '[')i]"In the beginning God created..."

Alex



Then what created god?


The Bible says God is eternal, having no beginning or end. He exists outside of time. Eternity is probably the hardest thing for the finite human mind to conceive.

"Before the mountains were brought forth, or ever thou hadst formed the earth and the world, even from everlasting to everlasting, thou art God." (Psalm 90:2)

Alex


We tend to think like fishes in a bowl. What we see above we can not understand. Yes God the Creator is eternal as we can be. Atheists will turn into nothing......... :razz:
vision-master
 
Top

Re: Theism, Agnosticism, Atheism, Deism, etc...

Unread postby Alcassin » Thu 08 Jan 2009, 13:44:48

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('vision-master', 'W')e tend to think like fishes in a bowl. What we see above we can not understand. Yes God the Creator is eternal as we can be. Atheists will turn into nothing......... :razz:


Maybe God in his endless irony will reward those who didn't believe. Why not? Maybe this is the greatest mystery of faith 8)
Peak oil is only an indication and a premise of limits to growth on a finite planet.
Denial is the most predictable of all human responses.
User avatar
Alcassin
Tar Sands
Tar Sands
 
Posts: 614
Joined: Wed 20 Jun 2007, 03:00:00
Location: Poland
Top

Re: Theism, Agnosticism, Atheism, Deism, etc...

Unread postby vision-master » Thu 08 Jan 2009, 16:03:08

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Alcassin', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('vision-master', 'W')e tend to think like fishes in a bowl. What we see above we can not understand. Yes God the Creator is eternal as we can be. Atheists will turn into nothing......... :razz:


Maybe God in his endless irony will reward those who didn't believe. Why not? Maybe this is the greatest mystery of faith 8)


Why not believe in truth in the 1st place?
vision-master
 
Top

Re: Theism, Agnosticism, Atheism, Deism, etc...

Unread postby outcast » Thu 08 Jan 2009, 22:29:48

Because it is not truth.


Nothing that exists could not always exist. Everything is created.
User avatar
outcast
Tar Sands
Tar Sands
 
Posts: 885
Joined: Mon 21 Apr 2008, 03:00:00
Top

Re: Theism, Agnosticism, Atheism, Deism, etc...

Unread postby Denny » Thu 08 Jan 2009, 23:41:05

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('outcast', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('POAlex', '[')i]"In the beginning God created..."

Alex



Then what created god?


The greatest mystery of all. This is symbolized in some churches by the greek letters alpha and omega touching, as in "I am the alpha and the omega", or the begining and the end.
User avatar
Denny
Heavy Crude
Heavy Crude
 
Posts: 1738
Joined: Sat 10 Jul 2004, 03:00:00
Location: Canada
Top

Re: Theism, Agnosticism, Atheism, Deism, etc...

Unread postby vision-master » Fri 09 Jan 2009, 11:00:02

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('outcast', 'B')ecause it is not truth.


Nothing that exists could not always exist. Everything is created.


and destroyed by man. :razz:
vision-master
 
Top

Re: Theism, Agnosticism, Atheism, Deism, etc...

Unread postby POAlex » Sun 11 Jan 2009, 17:37:34

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('outcast', 'B')ecause it is not truth.

Nothing that exists could not always exist. Everything is created.


If something existed in eternity past, exists in the present and will exist in eternity future, then it wasn't created.

You're thinking inside of time but the Lord exists in eternity outside of time. He is uncaused.

Alex
User avatar
POAlex
Wood
Wood
 
Posts: 29
Joined: Tue 10 Jul 2007, 03:00:00
Location: Canada
Top

Re: Theism, Agnosticism, Atheism, Deism, etc...

Unread postby bratticus » Sun 11 Jan 2009, 22:26:39

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('yippleflipple', 'W')hich do you identify most with?

Believe in supernatural phenomena?

Intelligent design?

Where do your values come from?

Do you have faith?

share some thoughts...


Robert Smith is godlike!

[flash width=425 height=344]http://www.youtube.com/v/S9KHT8IY__w[/flash]

Either that or he's a tuneless piece of eurotrash.

I can't make up my mind--am I agnostic or something?
User avatar
bratticus
Permanently Banned
 
Posts: 2368
Joined: Thu 12 Jun 2008, 03:00:00
Location: Bratislava
Top
Previous
Post a reply

Return to Open Topic Discussion

Who is online

Users browsing this forum: No registered users and 3 guests



cron