[ReverseEngineer]

With all the debate around here about whether or not citizens should have the right to own guns, nobody ever discusses Knives. From the BBC$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', ' ')The Sun declares six people a week are stabbed to death in Britain, after the Tories obtained fatal stabbing figures. The Telegraph says it is the highest figure for three decades, adding that a knife victim is admitted to hospital every 72 minutes in Britain.

[uNkNowN ElEmEnt]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'W')ho does this hurt the most? Women of course, because even if she is also armed with a knife, unless she is very good and very fast with it, a larger male will almost certainly disarm her.

[wisconsin_cur]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('uNkNowN ElEmEnt', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'W')ho does this hurt the most? Women of course, because even if she is also armed with a knife, unless she is very good and very fast with it, a larger male will almost certainly disarm her.

[uNkNowN ElEmEnt]

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I'm curious about the source of that information. I do not dispute it; I just don't think I understand it.

Wouldn't it be more accurate to measure in seconds? If we are both at a standstill, do I still need 25 feet? That would be about 8 paces (at my stride). On the very few occasions that I have had to take weapons away from people (only a knife once thank goodness) we were always closer than 25 feet... but I did have a few seconds...

Speaking only for myself it only takes about 2 seconds to get into my defensive stance, even from a prone position and if I am awake then my mind is in that posture in about the same time. If I am asleep my body still gets there in 2 seconds but it is probably another two for my brain to catch up.

[wisconsin_cur]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('uNkNowN ElEmEnt', '
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did you notice that if you take the first and last three letters of your screen name you get wiscur... as in whisker...

[uNkNowN ElEmEnt]

Well its cool anyway.

[wisconsin_cur]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('uNkNowN ElEmEnt', 'W')ell its cool anyway.

[uNkNowN ElEmEnt]

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[wisconsin_cur]

A person with a knife is trusting the knife to do its work. Take control of the wrist holding the knife and you have a couple of seconds. Strike the elbow or the twist until the knife drops and then take the person down or whatever the situation calls for.

It does take practice... I can sometimes do not give enough credence to the need for practices since I have dealt with hundreds if not thousands of hand strikes the last 10 years. A knife is just an extension of the hand hand once you control the hand you are where you need to be with a common thug.

A practiced professional would be another issue.

[uNkNowN ElEmEnt]

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A practiced professional would be another issue.

[wisconsin_cur]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('uNkNowN ElEmEnt', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('wisconsin_cur', '
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A practiced professional would be another issue.

[uNkNowN ElEmEnt]

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A practiced professional would be another issue.

[wisconsin_cur]

Because I should "only" dealing with people whose only weapons are their hands I do not practice the higher end violence advocated in this link, it reveals my basic practice; instead of bashing heads into concrete I usually roll/fall to my right taking the person to the ground with me on top where I can quickly gain control of their person until additional help arrives.

Dealing with an armed attacker
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$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'Y')our best chances of success when facing an attack by a weapon are based on how well you meet the following criteria:

1) deflect the weapon so it is pointing else where (personally I like coming up from below)

2) instead of trying to 'control' the weapon, do something to keep his arm from coming 'back' and bringing the weapon back into play (I call this 'shielding')

3) MOVE -- personally I am REAL fond of getting behind his elbow and keeping going.

4) Immediately pile drive his head into the concrete before he can figure out how to return the weapon into play (crushing his throat is optional, but it does make pile driving easier -- especially if you can't move to the outside and get behind his elbow). While we're on the subject, moving -- aside from making it harder for him to bring the weapon back towards you -- makes pile driving him a WHOLE lot easier.

5) Buy distance (DON'T stand there and admire your handy work)

The details of how you achieve these standards aren't nearly as important as the fact that you meet them. If you want to minimize damage to yourself, you must not only achieve these five points, but do it without hesitation and with full commitment.

[uNkNowN ElEmEnt]

You would be amazed (I know I am) at the number of potentially violent situations I've resolved and/or walked away from (without having it become physical) by concentrating on keeping my body language non-threatening and keeping my voice soft and unstressed.

Some of them I would have been large sums of money on that were about to escalate to physical violence. (I know that may shock some people since I come off as pretty confrontational but hey, I don't have to moderate myself. here I can be myself... mostly).

[uNkNowN ElEmEnt]

I jsut started reading the link wis_cur posted above. Its good especially this.

This guy speaks my language. he knows what he is talking about and does it in a way you know he's not full of BS.

[Quinny]

This is very sad. Life must be very difficult where you live.

The Argentina after collapse sounds like a safer place to be.

Is your country currently at war?

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('cbxer55', 'W')hen I dress in the morning, a holster goes on my belt first thing. In that holster goes a Kimber CDP II .45. Another holster goes on my left ankle with a .32 North American Arms Guardian. A LARGE Benchmade folding knife goes in my right front pocket, a smaller in my left rear pocket.

So I have the knife and gun part covered, as well as always having a Surefire high-powered flashlight for dark conditions. Keep an ASP collapsable baton in my truck within reach. Also a rather HUGE fixed blade knife resides on the floor under the drivers seat.

I keep the Kimber and a flashlight real close at night when in bed. So I basically have a gun on me or near me 24/7. Having said that I sincerely hope there never comes a time when I have to use any of this equipment on another person. I'll do it and suffer the regret if put in that position, but would rather not.

I go to the range and practice monthly. I have passed an armed security guard class with a good old Colt Combat Commander .45.
I definitely support the second amendment, being a lifetime member of the NRA, and a member of The Second Amendment Foundation.

I have a huge collection of knives, folding and fixed. Switchblades are the biggest part of that collection. Time comes, I'll break them out if necessary. Kinda like John Locke on the t.v. show LOST.

But the thing to remember about knives and fighting with them. You will get cut! So do not take a knife to a knife fight. TAKE A GUN!

[cephalotus]

1. I assume that it is much more difficult to kill someone with a knife face to face compered to kill someone with a gun from the distance.

2. I also doubt that it would make much difference if 5 guys come into your house for a gunfight or for a knife fight. In either case you are fucked. People tend to believe that they are better shooters than others (to many Hollywood films?), with knifes they seem to be a bit more realistic.

3. It is always good if the police is armed better than the typical guy/girl. At least if you life in a country where the police does its job.

4. Guns at home kill much more family members (in accidents) compared to intruders.

5. This is a peak oil forum. I see lots of people that use avatars with guns in various positions. To me it's a provocation if someone points a gun at my face.

I use an avatar showing a solar system. It would have -never- come to my mind to use a bloody kitchen knife as an avatar.
I do believe that some people here are hoping(!) for a doomer scenario, when they have wet dreams of becoming a kind of war lord in their neighbourhood with all their guns and stored food.

People seem to prefer different "solutions" and see different possible futures for themselves and I do know which kind of future I would prefer.

I don't believe that the average person is much different in various countries, but the way of life is different and makes people behave different. When there was the big flood in Eastern Germany in 2002 many, many people tried to help. They helped to build dams, brought food, offered shelter, gave money.

When I watched the TV news about the New Orleans flood in 2005 I saw signs like "looters will be shot" and guys standing in front of their houses posing with big rifles instead of offering a place for a tent and some food and fresh water to the refugees.

[mos6507]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('cephalotus', '
')I use an avatar showing a solar system. It would have -never- come to my mind to use a bloody kitchen knife as an avatar.
I do believe that some people here are hoping(!) for a doomer scenario, when they have wet dreams of becoming a kind of war lord in their neighbourhood with all their guns and stored food.

[Quinny]

I get the macho thing MOS, but there's a guy just posted here who feels he has to go out armed to the teeth every day of his life. That's not just macho posturing, but real serious fear, or intent to use. This can only increase the likelihood of someone being killed or injured. It's not just to defend his home either he's talking about every day wearing two farking guns. I thought cbx was from the states, but if there are places in the states where it's so dangerous you have to wear two guns on a daily basis you are definately in very serious trouble during the depression/post peak oil.

OK a gun might be a leveller, but IMO it levels everyones ability to kill up and their intelligence down.

I've been attacked/threatened with weapons (not guns) many times in my life, and they have mainly been used as a threat. As I recognised the threat and danger inherent in fighting with a weapon, I backed off, handed over my wallet (in one case) , or managed to deal with the situation without it resorting to violence. It's only resorted to violence three or four times where I was either surrounded or outnumbered. This happened mainly when I was younger. If I had been armed in a similar way, because of the 'macho' stupidity of youth I would probably have fought back on every occasion and I and others would probably ended up maimed or dead.

It's dangerous for people to be armed, it's obvious there are much more likely to be deaths if people are generally armed.

I suppose if you believe in overshoot their are ulterior motives for arming the masses!


$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('mos6507', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('cephalotus', '
')I use an avatar showing a solar system. It would have -never- come to my mind to use a bloody kitchen knife as an avatar.
I do believe that some people here are hoping(!) for a doomer scenario, when they have wet dreams of becoming a kind of war lord in their neighbourhood with all their guns and stored food.

[Golgo13]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('uNkNowN ElEmEnt', 'I') jsut started reading the link wis_cur posted above. Its good especially this.

This guy speaks my language. he knows what he is talking about and does it in a way you know he's not full of BS.