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Re: Its Raining Illuminati

Postby Sixstrings » Sat 27 Dec 2008, 08:07:07

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$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'I')ts too outside the box for you to imagine a REALLY big House of Cards falling down? Even when you witness players like Lehman CONSUMED in the Tsunami?


Ok, so you're talking about total monetary system collapse. This won't happen overnight, RE. The billionaires will most likely have time and enough left over wealth to set themselves up far better than you or me.

But who knows. In situations of total collapse, the wealthy and formerly powerful can be just as helpless as street people. If this comes to pass, then all bets are off anyway -- it's madmax time.

But honestly, RE, things have to fall quite a ways to get to Beyond Thunderdome. Look what an utter mess Zimbabwe is.. and yet even there they still have wealthy people. Even with hyperinflation, capitalism survives there. Those with the most money get to buy the food, that's how it works.

I guess what you are suggesting is that America and France will fall to a level of depravity greater than Zimbabwe. You are suggesting not only a monetary collapse, but also no organized replacement for it (as in new currency / world government).

What you are suggesting is UTTER doom. I can't really have a discussion about Uber Doom. It's sort of pointless to me, it would be like ruminating on what it would be like to have terminal cancer.

Cancer would suck. Uber Doom would suck. Deal with it when the time comes, but why ruminate on utter doom? Please, let's keep our ruminations limited to Doom Lite (where's there's enough wiggle room to suggest it may not be totally awful).
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Re: Its Raining Illuminati

Postby jupiters_release » Sat 27 Dec 2008, 12:39:39

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('ReverseEngineer', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('jupiters_release', '
')"Freedom from the desire for an answer is essential to the understanding of a problem." There is no problem.

Then why argue with me? If you have no desire to find an answer, why bother, eh? As long as you support the idea that the Illuminati are in control, you actually believe you have FOUND the answer, which in itself is wrong by your own definition.
I have no problem with this though, its your problem. just write it as I see it. You think I am wrong, you think you have a better explanation? TAKE ME ON! Feel FREE, be my guest. Its what I live for ;-)

My point is that politics should have no effect on our Reality, all our problems originate from discord within not without.
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Re: Its Raining Illuminati

Postby Ludi » Sat 27 Dec 2008, 12:46:44

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('jupiters_release', 'M')y point is that politics should have no effect on our Reality, all our problems originate from discord within not without.

So, I guess, if the political powers imprison you and torture you, that won't have an effect on your "Reality" and it won't be a problem.
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Re: Its Raining Illuminati

Postby mos6507 » Sat 27 Dec 2008, 13:25:19

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('ReverseEngineer', 'I') write it as I see it, and "Doom Lite" is NOT how I see it. Short term, yes SOME of the mega rich will retain SOME of their money, but by no means all will, already some mega rich are clearly on the skids here.
... that is why I live up here on the very edge of civilization on the Last Great Frontier. Its where I am positioned for my personal survival, and I make the case often enough for why I think its as good as you can get when Uber Doom approaches.

I think a lot of doomers have so much invested in the changes they've made in their lives (which, if you cut through their denials, ARE sacrifices) that they are literally tapping their feet like Sonic the Hedgehog anxiously waiting for their vision of the future to get on with it. This will color any sort of predictions they make, since they need so much to validate what they've done.

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So excuse me while I take your day to day analysis of current events with a grain of salt.
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Re: Its Raining Illuminati

Postby eastbay » Sat 27 Dec 2008, 13:26:40

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Shannymara', 'A')nd yet, here we are in the world. Therefore none of us are free from karma, and there is dharma.

But we are free to make decisions impacting our personal as well as communal karma in accordance with the Dharma. :)
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Re: Its Raining Illuminati

Postby jupiters_release » Sat 27 Dec 2008, 14:30:17

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Ludi', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('jupiters_release', 'M')y point is that politics should have no effect on our Reality, all our problems originate from discord within not without.

So, I guess, if the political powers imprison you and torture you, that won't have an effect on your "Reality" and it won't be a problem.


I didn't say we always live in Reality. In fact I rarely do, whereas most are never conscious that they rarely do if at all, to no fault of their own of course.
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Re: Its Raining Illuminati

Postby jupiters_release » Sat 27 Dec 2008, 14:40:34

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Shannymara', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('jupiters_release', 'M')y point is that politics should have no effect on our Reality, all our problems originate from discord within not without.

This is true. And yet, here we are in the world. Therefore none of us are free from karma, and there is dharma.


Conciliation can't be imposed on others if we are not conciliated ourselves, and if we are we wouldn't need to worry about dharma, we'd be living it. It sounds obvious, but we're constantly forgetting, at least I am.
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Re: Its Raining Illuminati

Postby mos6507 » Sat 27 Dec 2008, 16:31:21

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('ReverseEngineer', '
')I don't know about the other Uber Doomers here, but I personally like the way my life is right now too much


But is that where you would want to be if you weren't so concerned about impending doom? Someone like Cube is maybe a little more intellectually honest when he says he hopes the 3rd world dies and he can keep living in the city and eat his 3,000 mile ceasar salad. It's OK to concede that life is more comfortable in the bosom of modern civilization and that you're up there as a forced retreat. Regret's a bitch, RE. Make sure you're comfortable where you are that if another 10 years go by and TS still hasn't HTF (despite a lot of bogus predictions) you won't feel like you've made undue sacrifices.
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Re: Its Raining Illuminati

Postby MrBean » Sun 28 Dec 2008, 00:43:25

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('TreeFarmer', 'H')ow a society would function without interest I don't know, but we've seen how one functions with interest. Every 70 years or so you need a reset.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gift_economy
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Re: Its Raining Illuminati

Postby MrBean » Sun 28 Dec 2008, 00:49:24

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Starvid', 'T')he vast majority of human societies weren't very nice living in. As a matter of fact, in most of them life was nasty, brutish and short.

We Finns were living well enough untill you invaded and slaved us few hundred years ago and made our lives nasty, brutish and short. F**k Swedes and their manifest destiny. F**k them royally. Go away and cease.
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Re: Its Raining Illuminati

Postby MrBean » Sun 28 Dec 2008, 00:53:48

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('ReverseEngineer', 'H')ow do you know whether it was worse living as a Comanche or as an Pakistani Child in a Capitalist clothing factory? Did you live either life? Was it worse living as a Somali under Capitalism or as a Somali tribesman before Capitalism?
Your viewpoint is thoroughly ethnocentric and in no way takes into account that your life and your wealth has come at the expense of both the earth and other countries made subservient through the manipulation of the capitalist system.
Lucky you, born in Sweden, eh? Enjoying all the fruits of capitalism that come on the backs of children enslaved in countries far enough away you never have to see the pain and desperation. You will see it soon though, coming to a Theatre Near You in Stockholm, as it has come to Iceland already.

That's how manifest superiority allways tries to justify itself - that the poor stupid natives had it really awfull before white man's burden came to the rescue.
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Re: Its Raining Illuminati

Postby MrBean » Sun 28 Dec 2008, 01:11:22

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('mos6507', 'I') think a lot of doomers have so much invested in the changes they've made in their lives (which, if you cut through their denials, ARE sacrifices) that they are literally tapping their feet like Sonic the Hedgehog anxiously waiting for their vision of the future to get on with it. This will color any sort of predictions they make, since they need so much to validate what they've done.
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So excuse me while I take your day to day analysis of current events with a grain of salt.

You are correct, of course, kinda. The Kassandra bag does not come without a dose of impatience. Hope of getting it done and starting anew, ASAP. Yet it seems to me that none of the doomers really want's to know the timetable, would refuse to know even if given chance to know.
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Re: Its Raining Illuminati

Postby EnergyUnlimited » Sun 28 Dec 2008, 07:11:37

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('blukatzen', '.')..what would you say to her, RE? Really? She is a human being too...remember. Is *she* a Pigwoman?

As long as I understandan RE position, she would be a pigwoman.

For RE everyone who was enjoying income from capital gains, not personal work is a pigman/pigwoman and *all* such peoples are deserving Everlasting Torment of Hell if they don't give away all their capital to peoples like RE and his friends.
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Re: Its Raining Illuminati

Postby ReverseEngineer » Sun 28 Dec 2008, 10:31:40

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('blukatzen', '
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But what of those that thought they were philanthropists (as many of them were too.) and *thought* they were doing something good? What of them?

WHat if you DID have some of them, say Ms. Bettancourt, right in front of you now, she has saddened, maybe downcast eyes, never thinking she'd fall below a certain point in her life, especially this late in her life. Maybe she thinks, what will it be for my children and grandchildren, those I trained to take over, then next generation?
"What will it be like for them?"...she is just beginning to realize it now.


Ah! A Moral Question! Its what I live for :-)

With power comes responsibility, and money is of course power. Ignorance is not an excuse in this situation, if said person only realizes the damage her wealth did now, she is guilty of stupidity at the very least.

However, there are of course gradations of Evil, as there are Circles of Hell. For some of the worst and greediest, they end up of course in the 7th Circle. Under the circumstances described so far in this case, this woman would sound to be a few circles outside that.

Come the Revolution, all must be tried for their Crimes Against Humanity. In this trial, said PigPerson has the opportunity to demonstrate how they used their wealth (and weathier they weredemands more charity of course) and whether at any time showed a genuine concern for the suffering they caused, even unwittingly. If they gave significant portions of their wealth away to help the needy, this would weigh in their favor on the Scales of Justice, but it would not absolve them of Guilt.

It would be up to the Chief Justice as to whether or not to extend Mercy to this PigPerson and determine what earthly Punishment might be meted out in that case. Obviously we are not going to support said PigPerson in Prison with food we all need to survive, so you need a series of different levels of punishment depending on the amount of wealth held in that PigPerson's hands, the amount of Charity that PigPerson demonstrated through life, and the sincerity of the Repentance for Crimes Against Humanity.

A good demonstration of the Sincerity of Repentance would be that PigPerson's willingness to devoting a period of years or the remainder of his or her life (depending on the Scale Balance) to working on their hands and knees in the fields planting and picking crops and working hard enough to provide a surplus to the community of supporting one child beyond what the PigPerson herself eats.

For some of the worst offenders of course, the sooner they are Burning in Everlasting Torment in the Fires of Hell the better, no wasting time working in the fields here. You go Bowling with their Heads immediately :-)

In the case of those who either do not demonstrate sincere enough Repentance or who are simply physically incapable of providing hard enough work in the fields because they are too weak from a pampered life, there are a couple of possibilities. For the Unrepentant, you also Play Croquet with their Heads. For the weak in the fields, they will gradually starve to death as the portion they sow and reap gets below that which about 2 persons need to live, since the PigPerson always has to provide enough food for at least one Child of the Community before the PigPerson can eat for the duration of her Sentence.

This is the best Justice that can be meted out here on an Earthly level. As to which Circle of Hell this PigPerson ends up in, that is not the decision of the Chief Justice, it is up to a Higher Level of Authority.

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Re: Its Raining Illuminati

Postby ReverseEngineer » Sun 28 Dec 2008, 12:14:45

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('EnergyUnlimited', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('ReverseEngineer', 'W')hat tangible assets might I ask does Poland have that the US does not have? Far as I can tell, its way smaller, has less farmland, a greater population density, is surrounded on all sides by countries that overan it before and has no Oil at ALL. We at least still have some pumping off the Slope.

Poland is net food exporter. Rare occurrence in EU.
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'I')nsofar as the Japanese balance of payments goes, these folks are the ones that suggested FORGIVING all the debt just so we can start over from scratch. They will be lucky if they can afford to buy American Food, much less American Women.

Bioethanol factories will buy American food. Rich Japs will buy destitute (but well born, with good pedigree) American women.
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'I')nsofar as my willingness to eat COW dung, I never indicated any such thing. I mentioned MOOSE Pies and Seal Sh*t mixed with Blubber as possibilities. Read for comprehension please. In any event, I have more than enough more regular food to last me through to the fishing season, so this alternative is a ways off still.

You have indicated willingness to eat animal dung to survive in recent Zimbabwe thread.
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'S')o tell me, what are YOUR plans when the Polish shelves go bare this time? How do YOU intend on eating?

As I have already said we are net food exporter but... I remember a period of time when our shelves were empty in Poland. I survived (and enjoyed) that period.
Will I succeed second time? Don't know... I am older... weaker... but about as resourceful as in the past. For sure I will try...
The reason Poland is a net exporter of food is because of rapid industrialization of the food production apparatus:
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'T')he overall balance of Polish foreign trade is still negative, though the situation is improving. The turnover in food and agricultural products with all countries increased in both 2004 and 2005 doubling the positive balance from year to year; from 445,5 million in 2003 to 835,7 million EUR in 2004 and 1.628,2 million EUR in 2005. The results in trade with the European Union were even better, in 2005 the positive balance was at 1795,9 million EUR and was almost four times bigger than in 2003. (450,7 million EUR). Fast modernization of the pro-duction potential was undoubtedly a factor which contributed to the commercial success of the food and agriculture sector. link
So how long does this new industrialized food apparatus last without oil? Not a whole lot longer than the US, in fact likely less long considering the issues with getting Russian Oil.

Insofar as Rich Japanese buying American Women with good "Pedigree" (What IS a good pedigree anyhow? how do you rate these things? Is there a Moody's for the Prostitution Industry? What?) you haven't demonstrated that there will be any Rich Japanese left here. In fact you haven't even addressed the question of how ANYBODY will be rich in a monetary system collapse.

I have no doubt you will be creative in your efforts to survive. Its the moral sh*t you are willing to eat that to me has a more foul taste. The ease with which you discuss the trade of human flesh and the economic bondage of women disgusts me.
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Re: Its Raining Illuminati

Postby cube » Sun 28 Dec 2008, 18:59:05

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('ReverseEngineer', '.')..
To my mind, Bernie Madoff is the first Hero of the Revolution. Possibly nobody else in history took down so many big hitters all by his lonesome. Talk about JUSTICE. Talk about SWEET REVENGE. I waited 50 years to see this, and now it comes to pass, without even the need for the Guillotine. The Rich will off themselves or cannibalize each other in this end game. I can walk into the Great Beyond a Happy Man now.
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I was having a discussion with someone and it was one of those classic debates that refuses to die.
It's one of those debates that people will still be arguing about 2,000 years from now.

Does (money make money?) or does (talent and hard work make money?)

Anyways the person's position was basically this belief that when you become a rich man you join this special fraternity where everybody takes turns scratching each other's backs.
He truly believes that rich people take care of each other and that in turns secures their position for life.
I roared with laughter.
If I ever become a rich man I'm going to grow eyeballs on the back of my head because I expect no shortage of people who will attempt to stab me in the back.
No need to give examples.
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Re: Its Raining Illuminati

Postby Starvid » Sun 28 Dec 2008, 20:01:23

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('eastbay', 'A')nd it was the Germans who gave Finland the most help against the Soviets. Without German military aid Finland may have spent a few happy decades as an SSR.

Which is not very strange as Germany is 10 times the size of Sweden. But I'd bet a larger fraction of the Swedish war effort was spent helping Finland than Germany's were.
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Re: Its Raining Illuminati

Postby threadbear » Mon 29 Dec 2008, 01:14:52

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('mos6507', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('ReverseEngineer', 'A')nyhow, I did not deal this hand, the Pigmen did with Bretton Woods and before that with the Fed and before that with Alexander Hamilton and before that with the Rothschilds. Its about TIME it came to an end, don't you think?
But it never will come to an end. There will always be someone who has more riches than you, RE, even if instead of US Dollars you're talking about some other measure of value like acres of doomstead land or pelts or freezers of deer meat. Don't get absorbed in envy.

Why would you think he is envious? Why would anyone envy the superwealthy with their botoxed lips and bank accounts? They seem like a very sorry lot to me.
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Re: Its Raining Illuminati

Postby cube » Mon 29 Dec 2008, 01:35:17

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('threadbear', '.').. Why would you think he is envious? Why would anyone envy the superwealthy with their botoxed lips and bank accounts? They seem like a very sorry lot to me.

Wow OMG you sound like you have issues.

If you don't mind me asking what do you know about the super rich aside from what you saw on celebrity gossip TV?
Have you ever met a super rich person before?
If not than what is your info based on?
If yes then please tell us about the experience because I honestly would like to know!
I'm getting this paranoid feeling that 90% of everything written about the rich are written by people who are writing from their own personal biases rather than first hand knowledge. 8)
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Re: Its Raining Illuminati

Postby mos6507 » Mon 29 Dec 2008, 01:43:13

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('cube', 'I')'m getting this paranoid feeling that 90% of everything written about the rich are written by people who are writing from their own personal biases rather than first hand knowledge. 8)

90% of everything written on politics/ideology here is written by people who are writing from their own personal biases rather than first hand knowledge.
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