[firefly]

The last thing I would call the mafia is smart. Loud, big, punchable lugs, yes. smart, no.

[klystron]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('POAlex', 'F')irefly, Just a thought but did you know that Obama is involved with the Council on Foreign Relations? By watching his speech in Berlin, he clearly supports globalism.
Ron Paul and Chuck Baldwin seem to be the two candidates that are speaking out against the status quo.

[Plantagenet]

So is Obama himself one of the Illuminati?

Or he is the frontman for the Illuminati?

Or is he just a minion who is being manipulated to do the Illuminati's bidding?

[glasssealing]

Obam is not in deep with them, they are inviting him to the lower meetings, bilderbirgs whatever. Even Nixon went there. Not meaning anything. Kennedy even attended these meetings, but they didn't like kennedy either.
He is not their boy but I am sure they had meetings with them and made some promises, not to address certain things, whenever you see illuminati then say instead BILLIONARES

[Plantagenet]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('glasssealing', 'O')bam is not in deep with them, they are inviting him to the lower meetings, bilderbirgs whatever. Even Nixon went there. Not meaning anything. Kennedy even attended these meetings, but they didn't like kennedy either.
He is not their boy but I am sure they had meetings with them and made some promises, not to address certain things, whenever you see illuminati then say instead BILLIONARES

[klystron]

I wouldn't go there: easy to get incriminating stuff off the weg, for example:
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'W')ASHINGTON - GOP presidential nominee John McCain has past connections to a private group that supplied aid to guerrillas seeking to overthrow the leftist government of Nicaragua in the Iran-Contra affair.
McCain’s ties are facing renewed scrutiny after his campaign criticized Barack Obama for his link to a former radical who engaged in violent acts 40 years ago.
The U.S. Council for World Freedom was part of an international organization linked to former Nazi collaborators and ultra-right-wing death squads in Central America. The group was dedicated to stamping out communism around the globe.
The council’s founder, retired Army Maj. Gen. John Singlaub, said McCain became associated with the organization in the early 1980s as McCain was launching his political career in Arizona. Singlaub said McCain was a supporter but not an active member in the group.
Retired U.S. Army Major General John Singlaub(front), speaks to reporters as then-Secretary of Defense William Cohen looks on in July 21, 1998. Singlaub founded the controversial U.S. Council for World Freedom, which was dedicated to stamping out communism around the globe. Singlaub says McCain became associated with the organization in the early 1980s.
Organization had ties to former Nazi collaborators, right-wing death squads

[dinopello]

THE Illuminati either

a) doesn't exist or
b) is so powerful that you can't do anything about it

so why worry about it?

[klystron]

They exist, and you can't do anything about THEM, but you can refuse to join them that is the whole message here.
Refuse them and you will live.
Accept them and you will die.

Because in a few years all illuminati will no longer exist. If you "save" your life by acceptance of their new order you will die. If You "loose" your life by rejecting their order you will live. So it is very important for you individiually as your decision is final for eternity for you. The crusher is coming and their system is no going to collapse despite their machinations.
That is why it is important.

As martin Luther King once said about them, if you think you are a messianic world government to save the world, God is going to break the back of your power. and he will. Question remains, are you going down with them or will you stand victorious against evil?

[dinopello]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('klystron', 'I')f You "loose" your life by rejecting their order you will live. ... Question remains, are you going down with them or will you stand victorious against evil?

[Brock]

There not so evil, most people are just so amazingly stupid and selfish, so they're just treating them appropriatly. The majortiy of people if in their situation would be worse. If they are taken out then they would just be replaced, the evolved slaves need masters. The problem is in the fundimental nature of this abomnination of a spices.

[klystron]

They are pretty evil. The eviler they are the higher they rise. it is an heirarchy of evil. And the highest levels are not that smart, just evil. I would give examples of evil guys that are not too bright, but it is best not to, Obama is coming and we will have less evil and more smarts at least for four years.
As Lewis carol almost said: "Eviler and eviler."
And he would know, he was illuminati. Why else would his rabbit wear white gloves?



Tweedle Dee & Tweedle Dum is used for S&M programming, which has a hand signal involving rotating the thumbs of a clasp hand. Alters go through the looking glass, and fall down an oak tree by falling into a deeper and deeper trance. Monarch programming is a reflection of how Satan's mind works.

Lewis Carroll 's book with its inversion themes fits in with this type of thinking. Lewis Carroll loved the humor of logical contradictions. In the book, Alice wonders if cats eat bats or bats eat cats, and she is told that to say what she means is not the same as meaning what she says. When she eats the left side of the mushroom, she grows large; the right side has the reverse effect.

These changes in size are in themselves reversals. A large girl and small puppy end up to be a large puppy and a small girl. In Sylvia and Bruno, we are presented with an antigravity wool that can be placed into a parcel to make it weigh less than nothing, a watch that reverses time, a black light, and a projective plane with outside inside and inside outside. The slave learns that E-V-I-L is simply L-I-V-E backwards. In the looking glass world, the Red Queen knows of a hill so large that compared to it the hill in question is a valley.

Also she knows of dry biscuits which quench thirst, a messenger who whispers by shouting, and Alice who runs as fast as she can to stay in one place. (Sometimes it seems we really do have to run fast to stay in place.) The King of Hearts thinks its not unusual to write letters to nobody, and the White King compliments Alice on having keen enough eyesight to see nobody at a great distance down the road.

And of course, two buildings so huge and strong that they just collapse as in a vacuum! And everyone thinks that sounds about right! Familiar? Just mind control.

now, why such silly associations? In programming the "Village of Liver-and-Onions" is a code word for "the coven. "Prairie" means "ceremony site", and in another story "picnic" means "ritual". It's doubtful that most alters would remember these meanings, but they helped the abusers confuse the child. Imagine the victim trying to describe a ritual and telling someone that a village of liver & onions had a picnic.

Don't forget that Carroll was a notorious pedophile. I'm thinking also of Jefferson Airplane's "White Rabbit" and the book Go Ask Alice, in which a real-life runaway recounts her sexual abuse in San Francisco. He was a handler, one of the higher levels of illuminati.
(Also known as child slavery or white slavery) Pretty evil.

[mercurygirl]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('klystron', 'T')hey are pretty evil.
The eviler they are the higher they rise. it is an heirarchy of evil.
And the highest levels are not that smart, just evil.
I would give examples of evil guys that are not too bright, but it is best not to, Obama is coming and we will have less evil and more smarts at least for four years.
As Lewis carol almost said: "Eviler and eviler."
And he would know, he was illuminati. Why else would his rabbit wear white gloves? link

[klystron]

There is no real joy here, just fearful looking for what is coming.

But to answer question about good evil balance: This is a very large lie present in all illuminaty controlled religions. yin/yang/ All false religions were cobbled together over thousands of years by these people. Yin/yang is a luminous lie. evil and good will never co-exist. The growth of evil will to a max, a peak, then it will be totally removed. There is an express purpose in all this. It is to be as an example to the cosmos. It was not planned this way, eve had a better idea and GOd, said, no, it won't work, you cannot do what you want and have a happy world but She thought she could.
Sin is nothing more than doing what you want.

Doing what you want is very evil it is the basis of all sin. Doing what is good and what is right and doing for others is what we were built for, and we would be so happy in selfless service for others, our greatest task to see how happy you can make someone else! That is how we were built. This world is an example of doing anything you want, with some people having power over others, it didn't work. Now the message is... Repent or be removed with the chaff. time is up.

The collapse is started, the end is here, they had their time and they showed us what a world of selfishness looks like, and everyone is fed up with it. The yin/yang of evil and good co-existing is not truth and will not happen. there comes a point in time when all evil is removed, and only good remains this is the truth the iluminaty hate so much, it means their existance ends and they fail

But insanity continues to hope for a win when 6 times already they lost the attempt to control the world, now on attempt number 7 they will ultimately fail. Listen up illuminati. The message is here, your time is come. You will be thrown from the freedom train. Judgment day comes. They hope against hope to be able to continue in sin, but it shall not be.

Judgment day arrives. Jesus said: "He who comes to me I will in no wise cast out." Your choice.

[ReverseEngineer]

While we have heard a bit about the large Christian and Jewish Charities which fell victim to the Bernie the Ponzi King, it wasn't until the recent suicide of Rene-Thierry Magon de la Villehuchet that we started hearing about some of the outrageously wealthy individuals who also are reduced now to Poverty.

We are not even talking just new Funny Money losers from late in the game who made money speculating in the last couple of balloons by picking the Low Hanging Fruit. We are talking OLD MONEY. Really old money, like from the beginning of the Rothschild era.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'T')he Magon de la Villehuchet family built its fortune in shipping during the 17th century according to Georges le Gorgeu, a historian in Plouer-sur-Rance, where the clan has owned a chateau for several hundred years.

The family was so rich and prominent that it loaned money to France's Sun King, Louis XIV, who ennobled them, le Gorgeu said. Many of Rene-Thierry's and Bertrand's aristocratic ancestors died on the guillotine during the French revolution, le Gorgeu said.

[vision-master]

The Illuminati will fall like the Tower of Babel.

[Niagara]

I couldn't agree more, Reverse.

I will lose roughly two ZEPTOSECONDS of sleep worrying about these pigmen and their lost fortunes to Ponzi schemes.

[patience]

And how much does that take from the poor people who have been surviving on the crumbs that fell from the tables of the rich?

Somehow, I don't think we po' folks get off scott free either in this mess.

[dohboi]

It reminds me a bit of the scene in LOTR when the orcs start fighting each other over the precious mithril shirt. It's clear if you read Tolkien's correspondences that he saw evil as something that tneds to destroy itself, yet he still saw it as imperative to oppose it as strenuously as you could.

I still think a few will come out on top, but now the rich are raping and pillaging each other as much as they are doing it to the rest of us. (Maybe that's because none of us have any more money to be robbed of? We're now slim pickin's.) The top rat will win.

As RE noted, this is the logical outcome of a system that has seen an increasing excelleration of the concentration of wealth. A couple years ago the NYT's had an article about the merely rich being left in the dust by the exploding wealth of the super rich. Now even the super rich are stealing from each other to be the last man standing.

[ReverseEngineer]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('patience', 'A')nd how much does that take from the poor people who have been surviving on the crumbs that fell from the tables of the rich?

Somehow, I don't think we po' folks get off scott free either in this mess.

[Sixstrings]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('ReverseEngineer', 'C')an you imagine? A fortune that managed to survive the French Revolution and numerous financial panics and depressions since the 1700s all finally LOST by this heir to the fortune? No wonder he put a Bullet through his Brain.