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THE Scooter Thread (merged)
by JimBad05 » Mon 04 Apr 2005, 23:05:37
It would be interesting to see if a Vectrix, or any other electric scooter for that matter, could be described in terms of MPG. Given the electrical consumption of the Vectrix, is it possible to compare the electricity used to the oil used at the power plant to produce the electricity? I suspect power plants are pretty efficient, but who knows? Maybe a hybrid would actually be better.
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by cube » Tue 05 Apr 2005, 00:44:30
Very cute pictures but I don't think scooters are going to work in America. The obesity rate among adults is 50%....most Americans are too big to fit on scooters. 
You almost never see scooters in America.
You almost never see scooters in America.
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by Antimatter » Tue 05 Apr 2005, 04:22:21
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('JimBad05', 'I')t would be interesting to see if a Vectrix, or any other electric scooter for that matter, could be described in terms of MPG. Given the electrical consumption of the Vectrix, is it possible to compare the electricity used to the oil used at the power plant to produce the electricity? I suspect power plants are pretty efficient, but who knows? Maybe a hybrid would actually be better.
About 165mpg, based on a 3.9kwh charge and 70 mile range. If your power company used a clunky old oil fired power plant getting 33% efficiency that'd be 55mpg. The main advantage is electricity can be produced in many more ways than liquid fuels.
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by DriveElectric » Tue 05 Apr 2005, 09:45:48
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('JimBad05', 'I')t would be interesting to see if a Vectrix, or any other electric scooter for that matter, could be described in terms of MPG. Given the electrical consumption of the Vectrix, is it possible to compare the electricity used to the oil used at the power plant to produce the electricity? I suspect power plants are pretty efficient, but who knows? Maybe a hybrid would actually be better.
Oil is not used directly for electric power production in the USA.
The USA is 50% coal, 20% nuclear, 20% natural gas, 8% hydro, 2% other.
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by DriveElectric » Tue 05 Apr 2005, 09:49:39
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('cube', 'V')ery cute pictures but I don't think scooters are going to work in America. The obesity rate among adults is 50%....most Americans are too big to fit on scooters.
You almost never see scooters in America.
You almost never see scooters in America.
I suspect that people will not have a choice. I was showing the scooters to my wife and her first response was, "Can you imagine your father (65 yrs old) riding a scooter like that? It will never happen".
My response was, "Will we have a choice in 5 years? It's either 1) Ride a scooter (electric or hybrid) or 2) never leave the house again, sit home and starve."
I realize there are more choices than that. But the point I was trying to make was, we won't have the option to simply refuse changes. Most people will not have the option to say, "I'm not going to do that." Life will make these changes for us. Large cars and SUVs likely will no longer be produced 10 years from now. Our available options for personal transportation are going to change dramatically, even for wealthy people.
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by gnm » Tue 05 Apr 2005, 11:09:19
Scootergrrl I followed your links cool stuff thanks! - I noticed the one microcar which you can apparently buy in the US cost $79,000 - WHOA! Pretty cool tech but why so expensive I wonder... Just low production I suppose.
I would also love a trike style enclosed electric - I might just build my own if one does not present itself in the next 5 years...
my dream requirements would be
top speed about 75mph
range about 50-75 miles
seating for 2 (enclosed) or 1 and cargo - maybe some kind of second seat which converts to cargo area...
one can dream.......
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I would also love a trike style enclosed electric - I might just build my own if one does not present itself in the next 5 years...
my dream requirements would be
top speed about 75mph
range about 50-75 miles
seating for 2 (enclosed) or 1 and cargo - maybe some kind of second seat which converts to cargo area...
one can dream.......
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by BlisteredWhippet » Tue 05 Apr 2005, 21:18:36
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('cube', 'V')ery cute pictures but I don't think scooters are going to work in America. The obesity rate among adults is 50%....most Americans are too big to fit on scooters.
You almost never see scooters in America.
You almost never see scooters in America.
I think the perception is that scooters are "too small" or "too weak", when in reality they're a lot stronger and a lot bigger than people think. At 480 lbs., the Vectrix will will flatten most people if they make the mistake of thinking that they can manhandle it.
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That should be 625 miles per gallon, and 208mpg at 33% powerplant efficiency. 
Almost 100km per litre!
