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Re: Wars on Drugs

Unread postby smallpoxgirl » Tue 16 Dec 2008, 10:25:30

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('TWilliam', 'M')odern society may be boring, but I think there's a lot more to it SPG. The desire by humans to experience non-ordinary states of consciousness has existed since at least the dawn of the Neolithic Period, and probably much longer. There are at least some researchers who believe that such drugs may have actually played a pivotal role in the development of the self-awareness that differentiated us from the rest of the animal kingdom.


For sure and there is no conceivable rational reason to want to ban psychedelics. That's why they had to make up all that crap back in the 60's about LSD damaging your DNA.
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Re: Wars on Drugs

Unread postby vision-master » Tue 16 Dec 2008, 10:33:47

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'M')odern society may be boring, but I think there's a lot more to it SPG. The desire by humans to experience non-ordinary states of consciousness has existed since at least the dawn of the Neolithic Period, and probably much longer. There are at least some researchers who believe that such drugs may have actually played a pivotal role in the development of the self-awareness that differentiated us from the rest of the animal kingdom.


$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', '[')b]Reindeer games

The active ingredients of the amanita mushrooms are not metabolized by the body, and so they remain active in the urine. In fact, it is safer to drink the urine of one who has consumed the mushrooms than to eat the mushrooms directly, as many of the toxic compounds are processed and eliminated on the first pass through the body.

It was common practice among ancient people to recycle the potent effects of the mushroom by drinking each other's urine. The amanita's ingredients can remain potent even after six passes through the human body. Some scholars argue that this is the origin of the phrase "to get pissed," as this urine-drinking activity preceded alcohol by thousands of years.

Reindeer were the sacred animals of these semi-nomadic people, as the reindeer provided food, shelter, clothing and other necessities. Reindeer are also fond of eating the amanita mushrooms; they will seek them out, then prance about while under their influence. Often the urine of tripped-out reindeer would be consumed for its psychedelic effects.

This effect goes the other way too, as reindeer also enjoy the urine of a human, especially one who has consumed the mushrooms. In fact, reindeer will seek out human urine to drink, and some tribesmen carry sealskin containers of their own collected piss, which they use to attract stray reindeer back into the herd.

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Re: Wars on Drugs

Unread postby Minvaren » Tue 16 Dec 2008, 16:00:37

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('smallpoxgirl', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('TWilliam', 'M')odern society may be boring, but I think there's a lot more to it SPG. The desire by humans to experience non-ordinary states of consciousness has existed since at least the dawn of the Neolithic Period, and probably much longer. There are at least some researchers who believe that such drugs may have actually played a pivotal role in the development of the self-awareness that differentiated us from the rest of the animal kingdom.


For sure and there is no conceivable rational reason to want to ban psychedelics. That's why they had to make up all that crap back in the 60's about LSD damaging your DNA.


If I may - psychedelics (and other entheogens), coupled with some cults of personality, had a shot at toppling the social order in the 1960's. "Something" had to be done. So the USA did what it does best - declared war on drugs.

A great read with regards to TWilliam's last post - Intoxication - The Universal Drive for Mind-altering Substances. It's not just humans that want to get high.
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Re: Wars on Drugs

Unread postby smallpoxgirl » Tue 16 Dec 2008, 16:04:07

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Minvaren', 'I')f I may - psychedelics (and other entheogens), coupled with some cults of personality, had a shot at toppling the social order in the 1960's. "Something" had to be done. So the USA did what it does best - declared war on drugs.


Yeah. Maybe rational isn't the best word. There's no good reason to ban them.
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Re: Wars on Drugs

Unread postby TWilliam » Tue 16 Dec 2008, 17:09:13

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('smallpoxgirl', 'Y')eah. Maybe rational isn't the best word. There's no good reason to ban them.

Well... unless perhaps one is heavily invested in a power structure that's threatened by a populace of broad-minded, self-directed individuals because that structure relies on narrow-minded sheeple to continue functioning... :roll:
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Re: Wars on Drugs

Unread postby vision-master » Tue 16 Dec 2008, 18:06:00

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('TWilliam', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('smallpoxgirl', 'Y')eah. Maybe rational isn't the best word. There's no good reason to ban them.

Well... unless perhaps one is heavily invested in a power structure that's threatened by a populace of broad-minded, self-directed individuals because that structure relies on narrow-minded sheeple to continue functioning... :roll:


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Re: Wars on Drugs

Unread postby smallpoxgirl » Tue 16 Dec 2008, 18:17:04

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('vision-master', 'M')y Generation, the Summer of Love and Woodstock. You guy's missed it....... :razz:


That's ok. We'll have another one after you die. :razz:
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Re: Wars on Drugs

Unread postby vision-master » Tue 16 Dec 2008, 18:21:44

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('smallpoxgirl', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('vision-master', 'M')y Generation, the Summer of Love and Woodstock. You guy's missed it....... :razz:


That's ok. We'll have another one after you die. :razz:


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Re: Wars on Drugs

Unread postby da23 » Tue 16 Dec 2008, 22:03:03

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('TWilliam', '[')unless perhaps one is heavily invested in a power structure that's threatened by a populace of broad-minded, self-directed individuals because that structure relies on narrow-minded sheeple to continue functioning... :roll:


IMHO you can learn a lot from some drugs. Personally I still think acid has untapped potential in med/psych fields...not the brown stuff obviously.

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Re: Wars on Drugs

Unread postby Minvaren » Tue 16 Dec 2008, 23:46:37

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('da23', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('TWilliam', '[')unless perhaps one is heavily invested in a power structure that's threatened by a populace of broad-minded, self-directed individuals because that structure relies on narrow-minded sheeple to continue functioning... :roll:


IMHO you can learn a lot from some drugs. Personally I still think acid has untapped potential in med/psych fields...not the brown stuff obviously.

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If you went to a psychiatrist in the 50s... Chances are you got LSD as part of your therapy.
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Re: Wars on Drugs

Unread postby da23 » Wed 17 Dec 2008, 08:04:09

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Minvaren', 'I')f you went to a psychiatrist in the 50s... Chances are you got LSD as part of your therapy.


Exactly my point, it had a valid, albeit experimental value at that time.
The demonisation of Leary put a stop to further research when so much more could have been tried.

On a side note, a guy who lived opposite me got over £10,000 compensation for taking one dose of the stuff at Porton Down in the 50's in the M.O.Ds' LSD as a potential weapon experiments. 8O
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Re: Wars on Drugs

Unread postby Minvaren » Wed 17 Dec 2008, 12:50:50

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('da23', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Minvaren', 'I')f you went to a psychiatrist in the 50s... Chances are you got LSD as part of your therapy.


Exactly my point, it had a valid, albeit experimental value at that time.
The demonisation of Leary put a stop to further research when so much more could have been tried.


Stanislav Grof tried a lot more than Leary ever did, and even put out a book regarding his findings... ;)
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Re: Wars on Drugs

Unread postby da23 » Wed 17 Dec 2008, 14:47:37

thanks for the link :)
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Re: Wars on Drugs

Unread postby billg » Thu 18 Dec 2008, 09:29:14

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', '[')b]Oldest Marijuana Stash Found
Jennifer Viegas, Discovery News

Dec. 3, 2008 -- Nearly two pounds of still-green plant material found in a 2,700-year-old grave in the Gobi Desert has just been identified as the world's oldest marijuana stash, according to a paper in the latest issue of the Journal of Experimental Botany. A barrage of tests proves the marijuana possessed potent psychoactive properties and casts doubt on the theory that the ancients only grew the plant for hemp in order to make clothing, rope and other objects. They apparently were getting high too. Lead author Ethan Russo told Discovery News that the marijuana "is quite similar" to what's grown today. "We know from both the chemical analysis and genetics that it could produce THC (tetrahydrocannabinolic acid synthase, the main psychoactive chemical in the plant)," he explained, adding that no one could feel its effects today, due to decomposition over the millennia.

Russo served as a visiting professor at the Chinese Academy of Sciences Institute of Botany while conducting the study. He and his international team analyzed the cannabis, which was excavated at the Yanghai Tombs near Turpan, China. It was found lightly pounded in a wooden bowl in a leather basket near the head of a blue-eyed Caucasian man who died when he was about 45. "This individual was buried with an unusual number of high value, rare items," Russo said, mentioning that the objects included a make-up bag, bridles, pots, archery equipment and a kongou harp. The researchers believe the individual was a shaman from the Gushi people, who spoke a now-extinct language called Tocharian that was similar to Celtic.


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Re: Wars on Drugs

Unread postby TommyJefferson » Thu 18 Dec 2008, 13:42:07

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('da23', 'I')MHO you can learn a lot from some drugs.


If by "learn" you mean gain profound insight and new levels of intellectual understanding. No. You can't.

If by "learn" you mean get really fuggin high, then yes, that is possible.
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Re: Wars on Drugs

Unread postby TommyJefferson » Thu 18 Dec 2008, 13:47:08

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Minvaren', 'I')f you went to a psychiatrist in the 50s... Chances are you got LSD as part of your therapy.


Not true.
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Re: Wars on Drugs

Unread postby TommyJefferson » Thu 18 Dec 2008, 13:57:01

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Minvaren', 'p')sychedelics (and other entheogens), coupled with some cults of personality, had a shot at toppling the social order in the 1960's.


No they didn't.

It sounds to me like you've swallowed a lot of romanticized nonsense about drugs, counter-culture, and drugs in the 1960's.
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Re: Wars on Drugs

Unread postby billg » Thu 18 Dec 2008, 17:17:01

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('TommyJefferson', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('da23', 'I')MHO you can learn a lot from some drugs.


If by "learn" you mean gain profound insight and new levels of intellectual understanding. No. You can't.

If by "learn" you mean get really fuggin high, then yes, that is possible.


"High" is usually a word one applies to pot, not the psychedelics. Just curious...what is your experience with mushrooms or DMT? I ask just because you are making blanket judgements about all drugs.
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Re: Wars on Drugs

Unread postby TommyJefferson » Thu 18 Dec 2008, 18:28:54

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('billg', '"')High" is usually a word one applies to pot, not the psychedelics.


I did not know that. When I did shrooms, LSD, cocaine, and heroin we always just called it "getting high". Well, for phencyclidine we did say "getting wet".

My experience? I've smoked, ate, drank, snorted, and injected every drug I ever heard about. I've gotten as high as a you can get and still remain concious.

One thing I did notice in all those years was that anybody who saw God or experienced profound revelations while they were high couldn't tell you anything useful about them when they weren't high.
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Re: Wars on Drugs

Unread postby Carlhole » Thu 18 Dec 2008, 18:32:28

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('TommyJefferson', 'W')ell, for phencyclidine we did say "getting wet".


Never heard of it. What is it?

Does it turn you into a Republican? Is it the active alkaloid in Bullcrap?
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