[yeahbut]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('TommyJefferson', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('yeahbut', 'N')ow you may wish to shoe-horn these and all other reasons for drug consumption into your two categories, but I don't know why. Such reductionism doesn't help to us to see the truth of the matter, IMO.

[careinke]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', '2'). To experience emotional happiness.

[TWilliam]

Here's something fun, even if you aren't in an altered state:

Zoomquilt II

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[TWilliam]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('careinke', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', '2'). To experience emotional happiness.

[TommyJefferson]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('yeahbut', 'I') have nothing to add, except to point out the inherent absurdity of talking about "rational" reasons for drug-taking.

[yeahbut]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('TommyJefferson', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('yeahbut', 'I') have nothing to add, except to point out the inherent absurdity of talking about "rational" reasons for drug-taking.

[Carlhole]

MSNBC Piece On Stealth Cocaine Subs

Why doesn't the State just take over control, pricing and distribution of cocaine? The charter would be to make coke available to but to keep its broad use to a minimum.

[TWilliam]

Here's an angle on decriminalization that I don't recall having been mentioned in this thread yet (one a little more in keeping with the general tone of P.O.com) :

Give people complete, unrestricted access to whatever they choose (without excusing poor behavior under the influence of course).

If you think about it, the minority that can't control their urges likely tend to be Darwin Award candidates in numerous aspects of their lives anyway. Call them the top 10% (or bottom, depending on your perspective) if you like.

What more humane way could you possibly think of to cull the population than to let people pick their poison?

[reuterrooter]

So, let your child keep sniffing glue?

You think it will help society to have another retard who can't make change at a McDonalds and who needs anti-seizure mnedication daily so he doesn't fall in the street and get run over?

Anyone taking drugs put a great burden on society. Anyone positive on a drug screen should be jailed minimum 30 days, bread and water, and no television. second offense 60 days third offense chain gang one year at the gulag.

[reuterrooter]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Carlhole', '[')url=http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21134540/vp/28257290#28257290]MSNBC Piece On Stealth Cocaine Subs[/url]

Why doesn't the State just take over control, pricing and distribution of cocaine? .

[yippleflipple]

anyone know where i can score some acid?

[TWilliam]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('reuterrooter', 'S')o, let your child keep sniffing glue?

You think it will help society to have another retard who can't make change at a McDonalds and who needs anti-seizure mnedication daily so he doesn't fall in the street and get run over?

[shakespear1]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_code('', '(Altho' interestingly in countries with no minimum drinking age, adult alcoholism is almost non-existent.) ')

One that comes to mind where I worked was Argentina. NO PROBLEM with kids and alcohol. I never saw drunk teenagers. Alcohol was available to them everywhere!!!!

People need to ask themselves why is this so. Once you understand this then the rest of this Drugs game will be clearer.

[Roy]

Likewise here in the states...

When I was a teen in So Cal, alcohol was very difficult to acquire due to stiff enforcement of age requirements, and stiff penalties for adults caught providing alcohol to minors. Our favorite method of obtaining it was to 'fish' for illegals in front of convenience stores. Who says high school Spanish wasn't useful...

Regarding illegal drugs, the situation was a bit different. I don't ever recall any supplier ever asking me for an ID to buy a bag of MJ. Nor do I recall ever having any difficulty obtaining it outside the normal black market snafus.

My contention is that legalizing it (soft drugs at a minimum) will make it harder, not easier, for young people to obtain. And it would put much of the drug crime business out of business.

I agree with TWilliam, and have been saying it for years, that legalized cocaine would end most of the addicts in 12 months or less. First of all the price would drop to the point where spare change could buy a fix *(not unlike alcohol... everyone has seen bums begging change for a bottle), and secondly, all cocaine addiction leads to either death, prison, or rehab.

Legalized cocaine loses its glamour. It loses the entrepreneurial appeal for poor youth. And it weeds out the weaker personalities quickly.

I don't beleive that if cocaine were legal that everyone on this board would run to the store, buy an ounce, and OD themselves.

People who like coke are already doing coke and know where to get it. Those of us who don't either don't want it or have tried it and don't like it that much.

It's complicated for sure. Clearly though, the prohibition isn't working.

And no, I would not allow my kids to sniff glue, legal or not. Just as I won't give them shots of everclear or lines of coke at their 8th birthday party either.

I will close my rambling post with this:


"Of all tyrannies, a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end for they do so with the approval of
their own conscience." --C.S. Lewis

[vision-master]

Taht Roger Waters bootleg DVD from Argentina sure was good last night. The second disk was a complete live "Dark Side of The Moon" concert. The visuals were really trippy.

[TommyJefferson]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('yeahbut', 'r')ecreational drug use. Do you hold that this also is rational? Self-medicating or something along those lines? I'm not needling, genuinely interested in your perspective.

[TWilliam]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('TommyJefferson', 'I')n general principle, recreational use of illegal drugs is not rational because the legal risks of acquiring and using illegal drugs outweigh the benefits.

[TommyJefferson]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('TWilliam', 'w')hich means one's chances of getting arrested for illegal drug use are about one in one thousand.

[vision-master]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('TommyJefferson', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('TWilliam', 'w')hich means one's chances of getting arrested for illegal drug use are about one in one thousand.

[ninonat]

Drug use is not fun, it destroys your abilities ever so slightly.
Taking drugs is admitting you don't like yourself, so the solution is not to escape from yourself but to change yourself.

Wanting to take drugs proves a need that something needs changing, when you like yourself you won't want to take drugs.

When tempted to take drugs, instead, change your mind and spend the time helping someone that could use help, help your wife clean the kitchen help your parents clean the garage.

Everytime you think about drugs, call up someone you havn't seen or you know needs help and ask them how you can help them.

The next day you will feel much better after you helped someone than waking up with a hangover, and you will have self respect instead of hating yourself that much more.

Today is the first day of the rest of your life.

If you saw a bum sitting in a corner saying "I'm no good, I'm no good" you would lift him up and say yes you are good, c'mon I have a job for you to do. I need my yeard mowed, my yard shoveled of snow. If he doesn't want to work or help thentell him he has life strength and he can help someone, everyone can help someone this is what destroys low self esteem, when you get a thank you from the heart.

Anyone can volunteer to clean toilets, walk into any 7-eleven and tell them you are homeless and you want to work and you are a toilet cleaning service and you will clean their toilets three times a day for a dollar.

they will hire you instantly.