[oswald622]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'I')n order to believe something like that, you would have to believe that the prime dictum of modern economics, The Law Of Supply and Demand, is a complete fraud.

[POAlex]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('oswald622', 'I')'m not sure exactly how that describes a one-world system - there are two beasts, not one, and Revelation 17 speaks of a number of kings. What is your interpretation of that, POAlex?

[Plantagenet]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('oswald622', '
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The Law of Supply and Demand states that markets reach equilibrium through the price mechanism - I don't see how that contradicts classical Conspiracy Theory, which only claims that supply and demand (thus price) are manipulated.

[raisinbran]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Schadenfreude', '
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In order to believe something like that, you would have to believe that the prime dictum of modern economics, The Law Of Supply and Demand, is a complete fraud. And there simply is no real evidence of that. Besides being part of modern economics, it is totally intuitive.
Humankind has always warred over shrinking resources - and that is totally in keeping with he law of supply and demand.

[raisinbran]

The original wild beast (Re 13:1), non scarlet colored with the ten diadems (crowns), is the world political system.

The two-horned (like a lamb) (Re 13:11) beast is the Anglo-American dual world power, which gives life to the image of the wild beast (Re 13:15), which is the UN.

The the scarlet colored wild beast in revelation chapter 17 is the UN.
The expression "The beast that thou sawest was, and is not; and shall ascend out of the bottomless pit" (Re 17:8 ) makes it clear that first it was the League of Nations, then was disbanded, then became the UN.

The great harlot is the entire empire of false religion. This is clear from "And the woman which thou sawest is that great city, which reigneth over the kings of the earth." (Re 17: 18 ) and much of chapter 18, notably with "for by thy sorceries were all nations deceived." (Re 18:23), sorceries implying spiritism, and we see that a lot in many religions across the world.

Also, Re 17:16 says "And the ten horns which thou sawest upon the beast, these shall hate the whore, and shall make her desolate and naked, and shall eat her flesh, and burn her with fire." This means that this world government, on the perogative of the ten kings of which it consists of, will stage a worldwide attack, or ban, of organized religion.

Watch for that too.

[Plantagenet]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('raisinbran', 'I')t is very possible that peak oil, like global warming, is yet another way to scare people into thinking that the life as we know it is coming to an end

[BigTex]

Here is the most common "conspiracy":

If someone were able to track the way you spent every moment for the past year, every thought you had, the fluctuations of your heart rate, blood pressure and other vital signs, your caloric intake, the number of times you cursed, the number of times you wore each article of clothing you own....do you think that patterns would emerge that would surprise you? Probably so. There might even be pronounced patterns of which you were completely unaware on a day to day basis. You might think that there were going to be certain patterns and there actually weren't.

I think that these same patterns play out on much larger scales, and often they "look" like conspiracies, and to a degree they are, but they are very tricky to nail down because many of the participants are completely unaware that they are involved in anything other than their daily lives with no over-arching theme or intention. It is as if the conspiracy is actually the subconscious mind revealing itself through patterns that cannot be seen or felt except over longer periods than people are used to paying attention to.

If you adjust the system of rewards properly, everything people will do will appear to be conspiratorial, because the system will be calibrated to achieve that effect.

Thus, I think that there are layers upon layers of conspiracies unfolding and winding down at any given moment, but I doubt if many of them are conscious conspiracies, simply because it is near impossible to keep a group of any size TO KEEP THEIR MOUTHS SHUT.

Is a school of fish a fish conspiracy? What if the fish are not aware that they are in a school? Does that make it more or less of a conspiracy?

The ultimate human conspiracy is generational: we are plotting against our descendants to make sure they get as little as possible, though many of us are unaware that that's what we're doing.

The way that Orwell sets up the evil system in 1984 is probably the best description of the modern conspiracy--no one knows who is in on it, how large it is, how long it's been going, or whether there is actually any human mind at the center of it all. It's utterly decentralized with respect to the people who are actually in on the conspiracy; thus, it would be impossible to disrupt it, because no one person knows enough to change anything.

It's just a vague sense of uneasiness all the time.

[threadbear]

Completely agree with your post, for the most part, Big Tex. People get bent out of shape when they perceive patterns, that signify unconscious intent of their own, converging with intentional patterns of others. I disagree about the impossible nature of getting groups of people to keep their mouths shut, though. This can be arranged quite easily, and there is a strong history in criminology, that attests to that fact. The intelligence community and anyone with a security clearance can also be relied upon, generally speaking, to keep their mouths shut.

The fish schooling analogy is a good one, provided the fish are in the open sea. I had a school of tetras in my aquarium that I could get to swim any way I wanted, by dropping pellets of food in the water. I could get them to alter course on a dime. I could even fake them out, pretend I was dropping food and get the same effect. This is basically how people are controlled. Socially and culturally we are in an aquarium more than in an open ocean of information. We are controlled through management of our beliefs, and this is done, with conscious intent, through the use of propaganda.

Suggested reading--The Cultural Cold War.

[Angry_Chimp]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('threadbear', 'C')ompletely agree with your post, for the most part, Big Tex. People get bent out of shape when they perceive patterns, that signify unconscious intent of their own, converging with intentional patterns of others. I disagree about the impossible nature of getting groups of people to keep their mouths shut, though. This can be arranged quite easily, and there is a strong history in criminology, that attests to that fact. The intelligence community and anyone with a security clearance can also be relied upon, generally speaking, to keep their mouths shut.

The fish schooling analogy is a good one, provided the fish are in the open sea. I had a school of tetras in my aquarium that I could get to swim any way I wanted, by dropping pellets of food in the water. I could get them to alter course on a dime. I could even fake them out, pretend I was dropping food and get the same effect. This is basically how people are controlled. Socially and culturally we are in an aquarium more than in an open ocean of information. We are controlled through management of our beliefs, and this is done, with conscious intent, through the use of propaganda.

Suggested reading--The Cultural Cold War.

[TheDude]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Plantagenet', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('raisinbran', 'I')t is very possible that peak oil, like global warming, is yet another way to scare people into thinking that the life as we know it is coming to an end

[Zardoz]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('TheDude', '.')..I've never been able to wrap my head around this conspiracy of the Bilderbergs wanting to enforce global slavery or population control, either. Wouldn't it have been simpler to just not let the Green Revolution happen? With the money they have they'll be sitting pretty on their villas in Paraguay if TSHTF.

[threadbear]

Dude, You too have a belief system. We all do. We need them to survive. Whether your system is partially or almost completely objectively correct or merely internally consistent, based on the angle of perception and perspective , is questionable. Many truisms turn out to be just useful working hypotheses, when viewed in hindsight.

Many conspiracy theories are over reaching, over interpreted, and agenda based. They sound nutty. Others are grounded in verifiable data, have been subject to scrutiny and vetted by scholarly individuals. But...the theory itself still "looks" nutty, if glanced at somewhat superficially.

As far as ufos go, there are all types involved in that pursuit, some scammers, some fantasy prone, some with religious ideation. There are many though, who are simply curious about the nature of reality, and have approached the subject from a science background. Their work should not be lumped together with those who, though possibly sincere, have low credibility.

My husband will be speaking at the X-conference in Washington DC, next week, along with Edgar Mitchell, astronaut, and Paul Hellyer, the minister of defence, during the Trudeau years, in Canada, among other credible individuals. I think any of them could easily get you to take a much more nuanced view on the subjec of ufos and by extension, the nature of cover-ups.

[threadbear]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Zardoz', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('TheDude', '.')..I've never been able to wrap my head around this conspiracy of the Bilderbergs wanting to enforce global slavery or population control, either. Wouldn't it have been simpler to just not let the Green Revolution happen? With the money they have they'll be sitting pretty on their villas in Paraguay if TSHTF.

[oswald622]

This thread is becoming a general conversation on the nature of pattern-recognition, the psyche of the conspiratorially-minded, belief systems, etc., which is fine, but what I'm trying to establish is some benchmark by which we can determine the more predictively successful theory. The Peak Oil (Doomer) Theory and the Conspiracy Theory are both essentially speculative at this point - which is not to say that there are no facts or persuasive arguments supporting them, but that they make claims about reality that can only be verified by an as-yet-unknown future.

If we can narrow down sets of possible futures that we all agree are mutually exclusive, then those outcomes will effectively invalidate the opposing theory. For example, if prices keep rising, society collapses, the nations split into innumerable warring factions, and the international business elite are exterminated in a bloody world-wide people's revolution, then we can probably assume rather safely that the Conspiracy Theory was wrong after all.

Do you catch my drift? If so, then help me out and let's outline a reasonable framework.

[threadbear]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('oswald622', 'T')his thread is becoming a general conversation on the nature of pattern-recognition, the psyche of the conspiratorially-minded, belief systems, etc., which is fine, but what I'm trying to establish is some benchmark by which we can determine the more predictively successful theory. The Peak Oil (Doomer) Theory and the Conspiracy Theory are both essentially speculative at this point - which is not to say that there are no facts or persuasive arguments supporting them, but that they make claims about reality that can only be verified by an as-yet-unknown future.

If we can narrow down sets of possible futures that we all agree are mutually exclusive, then those outcomes will effectively invalidate the opposing theory. For example, if prices keep rising, society collapses, the nations split into innumerable warring factions, and the international business elite are exterminated in a bloody world-wide people's revolution, then we can probably assume rather safely that the Conspiracy Theory was wrong after all.

Do you catch my drift? If so, then help me out and let's outline a reasonable framework.

[TheDude]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('threadbear', 'A')s far as ufos go, there are all types involved in that pursuit, some scammers, some fantasy prone, some with religious ideation. There are many though, who are simply curious about the nature of reality, and have approached the subject from a science background. Their work should not be lumped together with those who, though possibly sincere, have low credibility.

My husband will be speaking at the X-conference in Washington DC, next week, along with Edgar Mitchell, astronaut, and Paul Hellyer, the minister of defence, during the Trudeau years, in Canada, among other credible individuals. I think any of them could easily get you to take a much more nuanced view on the subjec of ufos and by extension, the nature of cover-ups.

[threadbear]

Okay Dude, The Dudester, Dudereeni. Wish the Coen brothers would do some Alex Jones type story line movie!

[oswald622]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('threadbear', 'O')kay Dude, The Dudester, Dudereeni. Wish the Coen brothers would do some Alex Jones type story line movie!

[Angry_Chimp]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('oswald622', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('threadbear', 'O')kay Dude, The Dudester, Dudereeni. Wish the Coen brothers would do some Alex Jones type story line movie!

[Angry_Chimp]

LOL. You have to love youtube...


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ntpTuOpnt70&NR=1





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