[ReverseEngineer]

The issue is really not the Zombies who will make their way out of the cities, although I expect quite a few will on Bicycles. You can get a long way on a bicycle you know.

In deprived areas, Gangs form spontaneously. The idea Zombies are incapable of organizing is clearly disputed by the Cryps and the Hoods in Los Angeles, or the drug lords of Columbia, whatever. You figure they ALL are just going to hang out in LA waiting to die? I don't think so.

In any event, even in the most underpopulated area with a bunch of sweet Ludi's on subsistence farms, there are people who do not own farms who will be hungry. Either you take them in or you don't. I know of NO area of the country where there are more people who own their own farms then there are convenience store workers, mall workers etc. Every area has its supply of workers who support the owners of the land.

Perhaps you try to enslave these people to work the land for you, but unless you have a security force to back you up in this endeavor, you are toast. So even if you on paper "own" this farm, really either you will work COOPERATIVELY with the people who surround you or you will try to exclude them from your plenty.

In a low population area with good arable land, its conceivable by working together with thsoe who surround you, you could dig yourself out of the collapsed coal mine. You will however have to organize up a security force to protect against the Zombies migrating outward from the cities in Gangs on bicycles looted from Walmart, with guns they themselves already own or took off dead Police Officers.

The low population rural areas far from cities do hold the best chances for survival, but they are by no means immune from the Apocalypse confronting us. The best ones are Natural Fortresses, protected by the geography of the area. Rivers that are hard to cross. Deserts that are hard to cross. And of course the Mountains. Really BIG Mountains. The Great Wall that God Built.

Reverse Engineer

[Pops]

You really aren't going to get much traction on this scenario RE.

It's been hashed and rehashed here for 4+ years and other places for much longer.

I'm thinking those who read here and can make a change have, those who couldn't are either hunkering as best they can or still merely tapping platitudes and posturing.

[RapaNui]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('ReverseEngineer', 'T')he issue is really not the Zombies who will make their way out of the cities, although I expect quite a few will on Bicycles.

[ReverseEngineer]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Pops', 'Y')ou really aren't going to get much traction on this scenario RE.
It's been hashed and rehashed here for 4+ years and other places for much longer.
I'm thinking those who read here and can make a change have, those who couldn't are either hunkering as best they can or still merely tapping platitudes and posturing.

[Pops]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('ReverseEngineer', 'Y')es, its all been posted before Pops, we all know that. So why does anyone bother posting anything, eh?

[oiless]

ReverseEngineer, I don't know if you caught it, it was kind of given short shrift in that article, but the melamine contamination is not accidental, it's quite deliberate.
Melamine fools protein tests, so if you have a product that is going to be tested for protein content you adulterate it with melamine. Your substandard product now appears good. Unfortunately melamine persists through the food chain, like many other noxious chemicals.

In other words it's all about the money.

[lowem]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('oiless', 'I')n other words it's all about the money.

[threadbear]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('lowem', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('oiless', 'I')n other words it's all about the money.

[galacticsurfer]

http://www.urbangardeninghelp.com/

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dawn_of_the_Dead

[lowem]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('threadbear', 'A')t what point did you become less moderate. Any specific day or event?

[dohboi]

Orlov paint quite a grim picture of people in isolated rural homes being victimized, tortured...for days. Horrible things can and will happen everywhere, but if someone is checking in on you every few hours or days and expecting you at regular stops, there is much more likelihood that someone will intervene on your behalf.

Small, tight-knit communities, whether urban, small town or rural are going to be your best bet. But of course all bets are off when the going gets really tough.

[wisconsin_cur]

Never mind it already is in the open discussion box.

[MrBean]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('ReverseEngineer', 'T')he issue is really not the Zombies who will make their way out of the cities, although I expect quite a few will on Bicycles. You can get a long way on a bicycle you know.

In deprived areas, Gangs form spontaneously. The idea Zombies are incapable of organizing is clearly disputed by the Cryps and the Hoods in Los Angeles, or the drug lords of Columbia, whatever. You figure they ALL are just going to hang out in LA waiting to die? I don't think so.

In any event, even in the most underpopulated area with a bunch of sweet Ludi's on subsistence farms, there are people who do not own farms who will be hungry. Either you take them in or you don't. I know of NO area of the country where there are more people who own their own farms then there are convenience store workers, mall workers etc. Every area has its supply of workers who support the owners of the land.

Perhaps you try to enslave these people to work the land for you, but unless you have a security force to back you up in this endeavor, you are toast. So even if you on paper "own" this farm, really either you will work COOPERATIVELY with the people who surround you or you will try to exclude them from your plenty.

In a low population area with good arable land, its conceivable by working together with thsoe who surround you, you could dig yourself out of the collapsed coal mine. You will however have to organize up a security force to protect against the Zombies migrating outward from the cities in Gangs on bicycles looted from Walmart, with guns they themselves already own or took off dead Police Officers.

The low population rural areas far from cities do hold the best chances for survival, but they are by no means immune from the Apocalypse confronting us. The best ones are Natural Fortresses, protected by the geography of the area. Rivers that are hard to cross. Deserts that are hard to cross. And of course the Mountains. Really BIG Mountains. The Great Wall that God Built.

Reverse Engineer

[Ferretlover]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('MrBean', 'I') just found out how evil I am :D. Simple solution: wellcome the zombie horde with smiling faces, give them food, well spiced food . Have a laugh together, isn't life beutifull with full belly! Next morning compost their carcasses.

[MrBean]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Ferretlover', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('MrBean', 'I') just found out how evil I am :D. Simple solution: wellcome the zombie horde with smiling faces, give them food, well spiced food . Have a laugh together, isn't life beutifull with full belly! Next morning compost their carcasses.

[wisconsin_cur]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('MrBean', 'E').g. few yummy berries of Taxus Cuspidata (with seeds!), plus extract from Papaver Somniferum to make the night painless and peacefull. Many many possible recepies, basic gardener's expertice.

[wisconsin_cur]

Govt report: conflicts of the future over resources, including food

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', '"')The world of the near future will be subject to an increased likelihood of conflict over resources, including food and water, and will be haunted by the persistence of rogue states and terrorist groups with greater access to nuclear weapons," said the report by the National Intelligence Council.

[deMolay]

Thousands Glean Fields For Food In USA: This is not a good sign. Denver Post

Moved to Americas Discussion. The Current Events forum is for Discussions on energy-related breaking news.-FL

[deMolay]

Apparently the farmer was overwhelmed, 40,000 people showed up.

[blukatzen]

Bless that man and his family for sharing his harvest!

Blu