[Jack]

Source for information: LINK
Excerpt: $this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'T')he primary finding was that in 1902 the Scottish working-class consumed nearly twice as many calories as the average Scottish resident consumes today—an additional 1,500 calories. The second major finding was that the 1902 diet had half the amount of fat as the modern-day diet. Finally, qualitative evidence suggested that physical activity allowed a working-class man to consume 3,500 calories a day without gaining weight. In contrast, the average 2,093 calories consumed today are excessive given a sedentary lifestyle.

[BrownDog]

I'm sure that people will eat less factory-produced meat, as a result of this.

[Colorado-Valley]

I wonder if my herd of 30 Angus beef cattle will someday be outlawed.

The weird thing is that they're all raised on organic prairie grass, so they "should" be politically correct.

I've been thinking that small farmers and ranchers could do well in the future if they can raise surplus food for market.

[JPL]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Jack', 'N')otice also that stable weight requires about 70% more calories than today.

If we suppose that we'll use more muscle power and less gasoline,
it seems reasonable to believe that we will revert toward the 1902
patterns referenced above. That being the case, we'll need to grow
more food at the same time that our use of oil for agriculture will
become more problematic.

[Ludi]

I'm into working smarter, not harder.

Really folks, there's no need to return to the Middle Ages and I wish you would just stop it.

Don't be stoopid.

[BrownDog]

Compared to the desk job I have, doing a little more physical activity throughout the day probably IS smarter.

[RonMN]

Absolutely nothing will stop the biofuels rampage. Some companies have even started buying farmland to ensure the production of their biofuels. I find it to be quite simple actually...

More food required + Less food available = Dieoff

Actually it's already begun (although in slow motion)...keep an eye on grain prices (bread/pasta) & veggie oil prices at the grocery store.

[Jack]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('BrownDog', 'C')ompared to the desk job I have, doing a little more physical activity throughout the day probably IS smarter.

[Jack]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Ludi', 'I')'m into working smarter, not harder.

[Ludi]

But many First World people are already overweight, consuming a lot of calories but doing little work. So it may simply come out even in the future, they will do a little more work with the same amount of calories and no longer be the fat slobs they currently are.

I'm not too worried, personally.

[Ludi]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Jack', 'B')ut Ludi - do you expend more physical effort than someone in an office who sits at a computer all day? Many doctors would be pleased if their patients got a mere 30 minutes of vigorous activity on most days. Do your activities equate to that? Do they exceed it?...
Not the Middle Ages. 1902. There is a difference, Ludi, and you know it.

[katkinkate]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('BrownDog', 'C')ompared to the desk job I have, doing a little more physical activity throughout the day probably IS smarter.

[rwwff]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Jack', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'q')ualitative evidence suggested that physical activity allowed a working-class man to consume 3,500 calories a day without gaining weight. In contrast, the average 2,093 calories consumed today are excessive given a sedentary lifestyle.

[WildRose]

"It also renders a transition to bio-fuels more questionable."


I should hope so! If we'll have all that labor-intensive farming to do, we'll need the available land to grow more carbohydrate-rich crops, such as potatoes and grains, for energy to fuel our labor.

Although I'm with Ludi - I'll look for the LEAST energy-intensive way to grow my food.

[rwwff]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('WildRose', 'A')lthough I'm with Ludi - I'll look for the LEAST energy-intensive way to grow my food.

[MattSavinar]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('JPL', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Jack', 'N')otice also that stable weight requires about 70% more calories than today.

If we suppose that we'll use more muscle power and less gasoline,
it seems reasonable to believe that we will revert toward the 1902
patterns referenced above. That being the case, we'll need to grow
more food at the same time that our use of oil for agriculture will
become more problematic.

[Colorado-Valley]

Well, I work on a ranch, so I already get plenty of exercise.

Right now I imagine the ranch provides food for, say, 40 or 50 people. But if diesel becomes too expensive, I'll have to hire 10 or so people to work the place. I imagine a lot of the food production will go to feeding the hired hands. So I figure I and most other farmers won't be feeding suburbia any more and you guys are going to have to make your own arrangements.

Do you have a plan?

[Jack]

You bring up some very good points, Colorado-Valley.

When those 10 people go from city jobs to ranch jobs, they'll probably have to settle from room, board, and very little (if any) money. That impacts tax revenue.

With a farm or ranch, food preservation becomes important. That means canning, drying, or some other process - most of which require energy and supplies. Getting the supplies for canning may become problematic post peak.

And when we add in the larger number of calories per person, I really think we have another aspect of peak to deal with...

[NTBKtrader]

Can anyone find statistics on who supplies what of world grain supplies and other ag? How much domestic production is consumed in each country versus imported? etc etc I can't seem to find that info. thanks

[Tyler_JC]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('NTBKtrader', 'C')an anyone find statistics on who supplies what of world grain supplies and other ag? How much domestic production is consumed in each country versus imported? etc etc I can't seem to find that info. thanks