[charliehelyes]

how do u think peak oil will effect the illuminati? for those who dont know they are the controllers of the human race they are the billinairs the presidents the real rulers of the country if u wanna know more read david icke books or search illuminati on google u will change your life

[Kaminyu]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('charliehelyes', 'h')ow do u think peak oil will effect the illuminati? for those who dont know they are the controllers of the human race they are the billinairs the presidents the real rulers of the country if u wanna know more read david icke books or search illuminati on google u will change your life

[Wildwell]

Oh conspiracy theories. Many have a ring of truth, but in my opinion only that. The cynics will kill this planet; we will think ourselves into doom. Already manners are disappearing and everyone is starting to think everyone else is 'up to something'. So the story goes there is some sort of hidden agenda to everything that is done. Even innocent things like holding doors open for people especially women are seen as an ulterior motive.

I'm not saying governments and people in power don't do unpalatable things, because we know they do. But I'm not sure control of the human race would benefit some of the leaches at the top and I’m not saying everyone is at the top is a leach either. Governments have no money, they have our tax money. Industry is finished without customers. So where does the control part come in? Perhaps I am being naive. Although I'm waiting to be convinced that some of this stuff isn't people getting their wires crossed.

Not long ago, writers accused the peak oil movement (whatever that is) as being a conspiracy. Considering that many people on these forums have completely opposing opinions on everything from nature, to economics, from geopolitics to sustainability; I'm not really sure how that all works.

However, I'm not saying for one minute that all conspiracy theorists are nuts, and their contribution should be welcomed to consider the matters in hand. A *certain* amount of cynicism is required.

Nevertheless most people are too isolated and stupid to lead an all out convert assault. Most people, even the most ardent Neo cons do have moral principals. Heck, we all think we're good guys. The final seductive argument against conspiracy theories is people are just terrible at keeping secrets even when the ramifications don't even affect them directly.

[MonteQuest]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Wildwell', ' ')The final seductive argument against conspiracy theories is people are just terrible at keeping secrets even when the ramifications don't even affect them directly.

[maverickdoc]

MonteQuest what is the name of your book?

[MonteQuest]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('maverickdoc', 'M')onteQuest what is the name of your book?

[Wildwell]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('MonteQuest', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Wildwell', ' ')The final seductive argument against conspiracy theories is people are just terrible at keeping secrets even when the ramifications don't even affect them directly.

[PenultimateManStanding]

The conspiratorial dream of a single World Government would seem to be one of the first casualties of oil depletion. The World will in effect get bigger and bigger in the coming years as our conquest of space and time dwindles to a memory. Perhaps that will finally lay some of these bogeyman conspiracy theories to rest.

[threadbear]

There are plenty of conspiracies, but few that see their way through to completion, to their ultimate goal. Oil depletion, as you say, will destroy the "small world" that has been created by *elite market and coercive forces and the ideologically driven meatheads that do the propaganda muscle work.

Social engineering projects work with natural human psychology to form something like a nerf ball of consensus reality. You can punch the damn thing by writing a book, you can jump up and down on it, and it pops right back into place. Most people think group mental constructs are like houses of cards that will collapse if the right people just come forward and tell the truth.

Ultimately the only thing that destroys a nerf ball is if it's left outside for decades exposed to natural weathering effects.

The natural weathering effects of global climate change, peak oil, over time, will break down consensus reality to the point where we have to form a new one. Hopefully it's a better one. It might be an even weirder one though.

The illuminutty are real and they're completely goofy. That's their ultimate secret. Have you seen the guys who started the Carlyle group?Goofs. If you're looking for Darth Vadar, understand the universe is going to give you Howdy Doody.

[MonteQuest]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('threadbear', 'T')he illuminutty are real and they're completely goofy. That's their ultimate secret. Have you seen the guys who started the Carlyle group?Goofs. If you're looking for Darth Vadar, understand the universe is going to give you Howdy Doody.

[PenultimateManStanding]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('threadbear', ' ')a nerf ball of consensus reality. You can punch the damn thing by writing a book, you can jump up and down on it, and it pops right back into place. Ultimately the only thing that destroys a nerf ball is if it's left outside for decades exposed to natural weathering effects. If you're looking for Darth Vadar, understand the universe is going to give you Howdy Doody.

[ubercynicmeister]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Wildwell', 'O')h conspiracy theories. Many have a ring of truth, but in my opinion only that.

[threadbear]

Quote UBerC:
Conspiracies theories come about when ordinary people percieve the Mess we mis-name "management" (the First Myth Of Management Is That It Actually Exists) both of corporations and government - and ask the obvious question"

You are wrong here. Conspiracies involve a very small number of people interconnected by relationship, but operating within systems. This is what confuses the professional middle class. They don't understand what isn't part of their reality. Their professional and private lives are usually separate, unlike the moneyed class. Their friends, relatives and professional lives occupy different niches. The categorization of their own social and working realm is projected onto the rest of society and is limited model for how relationships work, generally, throughout the rest of the world, and ironically, particularly outside of their own class, in their own country.


People in sales, or small businessmen/women understand conspiracy better because they understand the blurring of categories necessary to develop mutual backscratching networks, the work arounds used to circumvent systems or make them easier to navigate.

Conspirators use the tools they have at hand. The conspirators behind the think tanks, journalists,professionals, talking heads, who advance ideas like the no-conspiracy theory, use the academic ego to their own advantage.

Listen carefully to the intellectual arrogance of many of the people who lecture about the no-conspiracy. This knee jerk appeal to intellectual ego is red meat for a social engineering project. Any knee jerk reaction is pure gold, to a propagandist. This is why there is such a strong intellectual condemnation of conspiracy theories and theorists, and this is the very manure that conspiracies find so appealing for growth and success.

The really successful conspiracy theories are leak proof--so we wouldn't know about them. So to say that most conspiracies don't work, is a rather naive statement. We can say, by historical record, that some do. Others may have been very successful, but we can't say for sure.

It's conspiracy theory conjecture that is often wrong, in the details, although the general gist of some of the more dominant theories is accurate.

[skiwi]

I'm downloading a couple of torrents at the moment from conspiracycentral

The first one's called The Lightbringers - The Emissaries of Jahbulon (Juri Lina surveys the history of freemasonry)

This is Juri Lina's 1h long amazing documentary The Lightbringers - Emissaries of Jahbulon (2005) which exposes the secret history of world's most notorious secret society known as freemasons. Using footage from various masonic sites and lodges the viewer is taken on a tour which enables him to see the sinister forces who actually run the world today and how they came to power. A must see for everyone.

The 2nd one's called Angels and Demons Revealed

An explosive new documentary tells the real story of an ancient secret brotherhood and a devastating new weapon of destruction, and a shocking target- the Vatican.
The secret Illuminati does indeed exist. For the first time the truth is exposed behind the horrifying plan for world domination. Does the Illuminati have the power to take control of the world? Is the Vatican in grave danger? Are there even more targets around the world? Have devastating weapons been positioned to cause catastrophic results?
These enlightening revelations will shock you in this intriguing 60 minute production.

Maybe they've been onto it for decades. Remember the Alternative 3 'hoax'

Anyone else seen Alternative 3 Cosmic Black Operations..

Explores an above top-secret black operation to avoid the catastrophic earth changes now beginning. This black operation involves huge underground tunnels and cities, extraterrestrial bases on the moon and Mars, and utilizes anti-gravity flying disks and huge cigar shaped craft to shuttle between the earth, moon and Mars. This 4:40 hour documentary offers an amazing amount of proof and concludes that Alternative Three is not a hoax, but a real program. There is evidence that Alternative Three may be at Tithonia and is excavating the site.

[threadbear]

Skiwi, The Masons are in a perfect position to operate stealthily in systems based organizations, by virtue of the fact that their sole purpose is to develop friendly networks.

I would really appreciate it if you could pm me with any bit of info that's really outstanding that would lend credence to the idea that they are operating in some kind of "deal with the devil" occult kind of way, and not just the standard stealthy way. I have a feeling that they are as spiritually oriented as Fred Flintstone's grand poobahs.

The movie, "Eyes Wide Shut", can be interpreted any number of ways, but I take a certain amount of it at face value. I wonder if Kubrik was trying to make a statement about the explicit and implicit expression of power. It seems so outlandish to presume that some in power have a hidden life manipulating the implicit realm, where they have ritual orgies and human sacrifices and are up to all kinds of weir sh**. But if you think of their explicit use of unchecked power, ultimately isn't it kind of similar?

Maybe Kubrik was trying to tell us something.

[Kaminyu]

The Illuminati conspiracy is actually what was behind the World Wars, if you've ever read Albert Pike's book. There is a site about their workings behind the World Wars at www.threeworldwars.com

[ubercynicmeister]

Hi Threadbear!

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('threadbear', 'Q')uote UBerC:

[threadbear]

I wasn't actually referring to middle class techies, Uber. Many of them are in their very own "special" category. Their friendships consist of discussing the previous episode of "Friends" and they're often apolitical by choice or simply by their strange form of social inability. I'm not including you in this category, obviously. You seem pretty adept.

I was referring to the more traditional middle class professionals--accountants, teachers, insurance execs,etc...

Anyway, you get my drift. You have to judge conspiracy theoris on the balanced probabilities of evidence presented. Noone should face a hanging judge based on theory alone, but it's a good place to start looking. That's what the nyuk nyuk crowd don't do. They dismiss anything that seems on it's surface to be absurd, and ignore the substance underneath.

[EndDays]

Why do so few question Freemasonry or the Illuminati? I found it bizarre how people brush off the modern day existence of the Illuminati controlling world events, or the true ideals behind Freemasonry, especially after reading Albert Pike's writings.
Read up on Albert Pike's "Three World Wars:" link

Look at the past 225 years since the Illuminati were supposedly disbanded. They could've easily went underground under other guises and by looking at the direction of the world, it sure looks like their original plan is slowly falling into place.

The more I look at Peak Oil, the more it looks like we're being set up. If they exist today, they would be the unseen international monetary sources. The original Illuminati would use the following mode of operation to move forward their agenda: They create a problem -> get the desired public reaction -> offer their solution to further their goals

This quote alone should be eye opening enough to question the real motives behind Freemasonry. They've believed the oldest lie in the world, that Lucifer is equal to God.

[azreal60]

I think because so few care about them mostly.